Var debate 2019/20

city saint said:
with the offsides is it the refs who operate the tech or do they have tech guys doing it.
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Joe Blue said:
How in the FCUK is that a penalty ? VAR should have overturned that and pogba booked for simulation.Looks like different VAR rules for City, Pep will find another way to beat It/Them. I wounder how many goals will city have ruled out cos of VAR in the PL this season over 38 matches ? So far it's 2/2, I'm going for at least 17 .
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Exactly, they didn't even bother to look at that penalty as well. It really is a case of whichever team the person at Stockley dislikes will get punished.
 
Don Karleone said:
There is no way the ref and VAR could get the Rodri decision wrong. It's a penalty. The Pogba one could be seen either way. He is already on his way down but does get caught (slightly)
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Yes, when I first saw it I thought it was a dive. But the muted reaction of the Wolves defender suggested he knew it was a penalty
 
Variable Arbitrary Rulings.
Both incidents were a penalty, the referee saw Pogbas and gave it. Oliver didn't see the Rodriguez incident but neither the liner nor VAR official had enough balls to overule him and give it. THAT is why this system is shit currently.
What was interesting was that Oliver made reference to his earpiece when City players complained at the time. I'd be interested to know if he intimated VAR had said nothing or said it wasn't a penalty.
 
How are people complaining about the Pogba penalty? It's completely a penalty, Coady doesn't even complain. The biggest farce last night was the Wolves goal pissed me off. How is that any different from the Sterling one at West Ham?
 
Whichever way you look at the Pogba incident last night it’s a dive. Coady doesn’t react because you know it’s going to be given for contact, even though Pogba instigated that contact by launching himself and letting his leg dangle.

It’s absolutely not a penalty because the defender doesn’t make a challenge, however this is the way officials and VAR officials can hide behind the “clear and obvious” guidelines which is just a caveat for allowing some teams to benefit and others to suffer (e.g. us with Rodri).

Yet again it’s a potential game changing “incorrect” decision (13/15th penalty in 40 games?) which goes in United's favour.
 
City_Sean said:
How are people complaining about the Pogba penalty? It's completely a penalty, Coady doesn't even complain. The biggest farce last night was the Wolves goal pissed me off. How is that any different from the Sterling one at West Ham?
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because the ball was passed backwards, therefore onside, shouldn't even be a debate
 
ctid1894 said:
Whichever way you look at the Pogba incident last night it’s a dive. Coady doesn’t react because you know it’s going to be given for contact, even though Pogba instigated that contact by launching himself and letting his leg dangle.

It’s absolutely not a penalty because the defender doesn’t make a challenge, however this is the way officials and VAR officials can hide behind the “clear and obvious” guidelines which is just a caveat for allowing some teams to benefit and others to suffer (e.g. us with Rodri).

Yet again it’s a potential game changing “incorrect” decision (13/15th penalty in 40 games?) which goes in United's favour.
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Franny Lee would have been proud of the leg dangle!
 
the pogba penalty in my opinion was 100$ a dive and should have been over ruled by var. he instigated the contact all the defender did was stand his ground. no chance over any of the dives from tom dalery's students salah firmino and salah being over ruled this season
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I think this is a case of a new law being seen to say something it doesn’t.
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Yer dead right, CB. How many times do we hear ex-pros waffling on about another Dipper or MANUre pen and in their enlightened explanation add a whole raft of stuff has isn't written into the LotG or is simply irrelevant to what happened.

There is another issue that I am awaiting for an explanation. The word control! When we have players like Bernardo Silva and David Silva their control is mesmerising. The ball can be anywhere within a yard of them and they will have it under control. The level of control our players demonstrate is far better than many of the teams we play. I wonder if there will be 'VARiable' levels of control placed on different players, or is control measured by how the fattest lard arse on the FA committee controls the ball! Another word, and limitless interpretations. Wait for the pundits on MotD to explore those.
 
Kinkys Left Foot said:
Variable Arbitrary Rulings.
Both incidents were a penalty, the referee saw Pogbas and gave it. Oliver didn't see the Rodriguez incident but neither the liner nor VAR official had enough balls to overule him and give it. THAT is why this system is shit currently.
What was interesting was that Oliver made reference to his earpiece when City players complained at the time. I'd be interested to know if he intimated VAR had said nothing or said it wasn't a penalty.
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I think the refs are scared of being made to look incompetent/inconsistent and are resisting the idea of opening up their mikes or even releasing the transcripts/audio of discussions after the game. They probably have a case to a degree because they are paid in a year what most players get in a week, so why should they be the target of vile, anger and ridicule. If VAR is here to stay, then it HAS to be clear and open so we can see the reasoning for these decisions by all the officials concerned. The FA/PGMOL have sold this as a massive improvement to the game but if we are going to be kept in the dark about who is calling the shots then it doesn't feel like an improvement, quite the opposite. It used to be the referee but now we don't know.
 
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