Another new Brexit thread

[aguero93:20]

Yep there is pure opportunism on both sides

And given you view the GFA as badly fractured at the moment anyway - why should the UK population accept that it should be the driving force for deciding key UK policy?

Because you gave a binding commitment to it before the UN?

 

[blueinsa]

Ask the **** that murdered Jo Cox. Since you're so willing to judge us by common lowest denominator.

Us?

I'm judging murdering scum terrorists.

Us??

 

[Metal Biker]

One man's terrorist...

Is another man's terrorist.

If you cite to violence before exhausting diplomacy.

 

[aguero93:20]

Only on a short term basis, which is a change from their usual policy of "absolutely nobody, ever".

Nothing like a full FoM policy like we have currently.

So they don't then. Would I be right in saying they also have limited access to services?

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

One man's terrorist...

Absolutely

 

[aguero93:20]

Us?

I'm judging murdering scum terrorists.

Us??

Yeah us as in me and my own. Don't worry, you're not included.

 

[Ban-jani]

No, it won't happen, we'll end up staying in, pissing off a huge portion of the electorate and this issue will drag on for years, creating more and more uncertainty and opportunism for the likes of Farage to exploit making political discourse in the UK even worse.

This is going to sound bad but I hope you’re right.

We’re fucked politically as it is now and the damage Cameron has done will never be recovered from.

The alternative is a no deal though and that will have all of the above but dire economic consequences and we’ll be cut off from a lot of our allies.

It’s shit no matter what happens but I’d rather it be shit and people can actually get work.

 

[aguero93:20]

Is another man's terrorist.

If you cite to violence before exhausting diplomacy.

You've been very diplomatic as a nation over the last few years.

 

[Metal Biker]

Because you gave a binding commitment to it before the UN?

As did the EU.

Why isn't Ireland pressing Brussels on this as well?

 

[aguero93:20]

As did the EU.

Why isn't Ireland pressing Brussels on this as well?

We are. What makes you think we aren't?

 

[Metal Biker]

This is going to sound bad but I hope you’re right.

We’re fucked politically as it is now and the damage Cameron has done will never be recovered from.

The alternative is a no deal though and that will have all of the above but dire economic consequences and we’ll be cut off from a lot of our allies.

It’s shit no matter what happens but I’d rather it be shit and people can actually get work.

An FTA deal arrangement brexit with the EU means we can start to repair politics in the UK.

A "no brexit, remain" only exacerbates the problems. People are talking aboput potential violence in NI if there's a border. What the hell do you think will happen here if we don't leave? There's so much anger in the UK at present.

 

[Metal Biker]

We are. What makes you think we aren't?

So any pressure from you to insist in a re-negotiation?

 

[Metal Biker]

You've been very diplomatic as a nation over the last few years.

Quoi?

What's this in relation to? One of our members wanted to hold a referendum on being in the UK union and it was held without obstruction. We held a referendum on our membership of other union, and it was held without obstruction.

 

[blueinsa]

Yeah us as in me and my own. Don't worry, you're not included.

Unless you're a member/supporter of the CIRA or similar i dont get the "me and my own" bit?

 

[Ban-jani]

An FTA deal arrangement brexit with the EU means we can start to repair politics in the UK.

A "no brexit, remain" only exacerbates the problems. People are talking aboput potential violence in NI if there's a border. What the hell do you think will happen here if we don't leave? There's so much anger in the UK at present.

Well not as much as will happen in NI if we put a border up if I’m honest. If we put a border up the and GFA is stripped away, people’s nationalities will be affected. They’ve well practiced at murder over there and it’ll be very bad.

Don’t get me wrong, they’ll be riots here too but I don’t think we’ll end up with paramilitary groups.

I don’t want any of it to happen and I don’t want people to lose their jobs so the only way is a soft Brexit but Johnson won’t because he’ll lose his job.

So where do we go?

I think leavers think remainers have a great love for the EU and are only arsed about staying in because of how great we think it is. Whilst I think it has done wonders for Europe I’m not that arsed about us being in it. What I’m arsed about is peace and prosperity in the UK. The GFA to be upheld, the economy to be very strong for our jobs, social cohesion, the UK to be a major player on the world stage and for things to be generally positive.

If we can achieve the above outside of the EU I’m for it, I just don’t think we can but now we can’t even if we stay.

 

[Vic]

Nah - that is just you twisting the words of others

It seems to be your thing

I fail to see much distinction between "not giving a thought to it" and "not recalling" (which suggests he might have heard it but then forgot). Either way, his point was that it was only an issue after the vote and it clearly was aired beforehand.

I'm afraid that just reinforces that the vote was based on incomplete understanding (though of course an awful lot of Leave voters, even in NI, want Brexit even if it ruins the peace process - and if it does it's the terrorists' fault rather than what they voted for).

 

[Metal Biker]

Well not as much as will happen in NI if we put a border up if I’m honest. If we put a border up the and GFA is stripped away, people’s nationalities will be affected. They’ve well practiced at murder over there and it’ll be very bad.

Don’t get me wrong, they’ll be riots here too but I don’t think we’ll end up with paramilitary groups.

I don’t want any of it to happen and I don’t want people to lose their jobs so the only way is a soft Brexit but Johnson won’t because he’ll lose his job.

So where do we go?

I think leavers think remainers have a great love for the EU and are only arsed about staying in because of how great we think it is. Whilst I think it has done wonders for Europe I’m not that arsed about us being in it. What I’m arsed about is peace and prosperity in the UK. The GFA to be upheld, the economy to be very strong for our jobs, social cohesion, the UK to be a major player on the world stage and for things to be generally positive.

If we can achieve the above outside of the EU I’m for it, I just don’t think we can but now we can’t even if we stay.

That's a welcome change of tone.

Just as you mentioned about remainers and the EU, I assure you not every single leave voter "hates" the EU, they are concerned about it's current direction. I'd stay in the EU no problems whatsoever, if only it would cease with this incessant drive for more sovereign powers over it's members. Peace, economy and civil liberties come first, and if Johnson cannot deliver, then I hope a no deal will be avoided, and if that means staying in, then we stay in, BUT it must be OUR decision, the electorates, not Parliaments. I used to care about the EU ignoring it's members and forcing them to comply with the decisions made by a minor few who had assumed positions of power, but not anymore. They'll all do what they always do, and I include our own MP's in that regard.

Just as with your feeling of how you're not arsed about being in the EU on any emotional attachment, I really am not arsed about the UK being a "major player" in the world. I'd rather us be more like a Denmark or a Norway or Australia; just doing it's thing, making the people happy, content with their lives, not trying to police the world or set the course of direction we think others should follow.

Climate change is an important issue as is the energy one, and it's those which needs to be sorted in the UN where every nation (is meant to) have an equal voice. I don't want "the strength of the EU" backing us up, getting us involved in their disputes they want to have; we had that as a poodle of the Bush and Reagan Administrations. The whole "EU" thing, just makes me think of things like the Triple Entente, except now the EU's trying to puff out it's chest to Russia and China whilst snubbing the US. Not only is it embarrassing, it's slightly worrying to me.

 

[west didsblue]

Well not as much as will happen in NI if we put a border up if I’m honest. If we put a border up the and GFA is stripped away, people’s nationalities will be affected. They’ve well practiced at murder over there and it’ll be very bad.

Don’t get me wrong, they’ll be riots here too but I don’t think we’ll end up with paramilitary groups.

I don’t want any of it to happen and I don’t want people to lose their jobs so the only way is a soft Brexit but Johnson won’t because he’ll lose his job.

So where do we go?

I think leavers think remainers have a great love for the EU and are only arsed about staying in because of how great we think it is. Whilst I think it has done wonders for Europe I’m not that arsed about us being in it. What I’m arsed about is peace and prosperity in the UK. The GFA to be upheld, the economy to be very strong for our jobs, social cohesion, the UK to be a major player on the world stage and for things to be generally positive.

If we can achieve the above outside of the EU I’m for it, I just don’t think we can but now we can’t even if we stay.

Yep, there will be rioting here for sure which will be used as an excuse by some to get a new 60 inch 4K TV for nothing, then it will blow over in a week or two, a few politicians will blow off some hot air and everyone will get back to worrying about Love Island, I'm a Celebrity and football. And Farage will turn up in Strasbourg for his pay check.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

And Japan won't roll over the current trade deal.
And we've just pissed off Canada by dumping a British ISIS fighter on them.
And we're nowhere near a trade deal with India without significant concessions on immigration.
And see above about Malaysia.

Welcome to Brexit. Looks like we'll be selling ourselves to China.

And why not ...... we've sold ourselves to the rest of the world for peanuts for years due to the ideological madness of the Tories. Look at Greene King yesterday !

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

That's a welcome change of tone.

Just as you mentioned about remainers and the EU, I assure you not every single leave voter "hates" the EU, they are concerned about it's current direction. I'd stay in the EU no problems whatsoever, if only it would cease with this incessant drive for more sovereign powers over it's members. Peace, economy and civil liberties come first, and if Johnson cannot deliver, then I hope a no deal will be avoided, and if that means staying in, then we stay in, BUT it must be OUR decision, the electorates, not Parliaments. I used to care about the EU ignoring it's members and forcing them to comply with the decisions made by a minor few who had assumed positions of power, but not anymore. They'll all do what they always do, and I include our own MP's in that regard.

Just as with your feeling of how you're not arsed about being in the EU on any emotional attachment, I really am not arsed about the UK being a "major player" in the world. I'd rather us be more like a Denmark or a Norway or Australia; just doing it's thing, making the people happy, content with their lives, not trying to police the world or set the course of direction we think others should follow.

Climate change is an important issue as is the energy one, and it's those which needs to be sorted in the UN where every nation (is meant to) have an equal voice. I don't want "the strength of the EU" backing us up, getting us involved in their disputes they want to have; we had that as a poodle of the Bush and Reagan Administrations. The whole "EU" thing, just makes me think of things like the Triple Entente, except now the EU's trying to puff out it's chest to Russia and China whilst snubbing the US. Not only is it embarrassing, it's slightly worrying to me.

You misspelled Immigration ..... in there somewhere