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And it expects others to conform to the EU's standards, not the other way around.

We've had this discussion and didn't agree back then either.

The EU is globalisation in action, it’s almost the definition of it.

They expect their members to, as of the treaties they’ve all signed, they then negotiate on their members behalf and for the benefit of their members.

They’re the largest free trading bloc in the world, they have the power to do the above.

When we leave, we won’t and will be vulnerable.
 
Farage currently laying into Boris on LBC - Thinks he’s going soft on Brexit and doesn’t have the resolve to see this through.
 
The EU is globalisation in action, it’s almost the definition of it.

They expect their members to, as of the treaties they’ve all signed, they then negotiate on their members behalf and for the benefit of their members.

They’re the largest free trading bloc in the world, they have the power to do the above.

When we leave, we won’t and will be vulnerable.
It's globalisation, the European way.

The Chinese are attempting the same thing.

The only power in the EU resides with Germany (Biggest economy) and France (largest military) within the EU. You honestly think the EU had the Polish, Hungarian, Italian and Romanians in mind when they secured these deals?

Who exactly will we be vulnerable to, and what exactly would be the issue so long as it means we gain all the benefits you want for the people?
 
It's globalisation, the European way.

The Chinese are attempting the same thing.

The only power in the EU resides with Germany (Biggest economy) and France (largest military) within the EU. You honestly think the EU had the Polish, Hungarian, Italian and Romanians in mind when they secured these deals?

Who exactly will we be vulnerable to, and what exactly would be the issue so long as it means we gain all the benefits you want for the people?

Yes they did and do. The level the EU looks after it’s members is far better than we do in the UK. Of course it’s globalisation the European way, it’s Europe!

We’ll have zero free trade deals and will be in a position of desperation to strike them quickly.

Read this-

The former US treasury secretary Larry Summers has said he does not believe that a “desperate” UK would manage to secure a post-Brexit trade deal with Washington, as Dominic Raab, the new foreign secretary, heads to the US to scope out the potential for such an agreement.

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Tuesday: “Britain has no leverage, Britain is desperate … it needs an agreement very soon. When you have a desperate partner, that’s when you strike the hardest bargain.”
 
It's so depressing to think that Brexit 'discussions' will continue for the foreseeable future.

Whether we remain or leave, whether it's a hard Brexit or not, there's going to be different people pedalling their own agendas for years. I'm absolutely sick of it all now.

Got another decade or so of this as well. Endless EU negotiations upon endless negotiations. Should be a hoot.
 
Yes they did and do. The level the EU looks after it’s members is far better than we do in the UK. Of course it’s globalisation the European way, it’s Europe!

We’ll have zero free trade deals and will be in a position of desperation to strike them quickly.

Read this-
And i'm for globalisation with a global viewpoint and input, not a sole european bloc's view, but again we've been over this and we didn't agree.
 
Farage currently laying into Boris on LBC - Thinks he’s going soft on Brexit and doesn’t have the resolve to see this through.

Nothing will satisfy Farage and his merry bunch of idiots(I'm being generous) and the sooner people realise that the better. Claire Fox was on TV saying the previous WA, even with the BackStop out is not 'satisfactory'. She wants no-deal to 'kick start' the economy(of course she did not elaborate on what that actually means

And let's say we go down the 'no-deal' route Farage & Co will be saying that it should never have come to that or that was never what he wanted and if only X, Y and Z it could have all been so much different - there is a reason he ran a mile after the result and it's the same reason he will stay away and be a career heckler for the rest of his life
 
And i'm for globalisation with a global viewpoint and input, not a sole european bloc's view, but again we've been over this and we didn't agree.

That’s what the EU is/does.

I seriously don’t think you know how well we have it.

Any word on the desperation point? It’s a key one when we’re trying to trade globally following Brexit and no doubt will be getting worse deals.
 
That’s what the EU is/does.

I seriously don’t think you know how well we have it.

Any word on the desperation point? It’s a key one when we’re trying to trade globally following Brexit and no doubt will be getting worse deals.
Of course I did, until it started to get involved in ideas such as it's own defence force, members to surrender sovereignty etc.

What part of "I favour a globalised world of equal, diverse opinions, not a european vision of a globalised world dominated by a centralised, european bloc", must I keep explaining? I've said to you we don't agree on this outlook. You see it as a sense of pride, I consider it echoes of European Imperalism of the 18th-19th century. You don't have to agree, it's how I feel.

I have no interest in discussing the comments of a former US secretary as it's not part of what i'm discussing.
 
Well not as much as will happen in NI if we put a border up if I’m honest. If we put a border up the and GFA is stripped away, people’s nationalities will be affected. They’ve well practiced at murder over there and it’ll be very bad.

Don’t get me wrong, they’ll be riots here too but I don’t think we’ll end up with paramilitary groups. .

You think the various forms of IRA will only operate here in NI/RoI?

If they think they can influence the British (already sick of the "Irish Problem") to push a United Ireland...their targets will be the mainland.
 
You missed out the bit where she said the WA will not be reopened.

It wont need to be.

The practical solutions are what will be implemented.

That's checks away from the border for those that have not been keeping up
 
It wont need to be.

The practical solutions are what will be implemented.

That's checks away from the border for those that have not been keeping up
I agree. Boris gets to push through the WA by presenting it as substantially different to last time due to changes to the backstop, and the EU save face by claiming not to gave reopened or substantially changed it.
 
Of course I did, until it started to get involved in ideas such as it's own defence force, members to surrender sovereignty etc.

What part of "I favour a globalised world of equal, diverse opinions, not a european vision of a globalised world dominated by a centralised, european bloc", must I keep explaining? I've said to you we don't agree on this outlook. You see it as a sense of pride, I consider it echoes of European Imperalism of the 18th-19th century. You don't have to agree, it's how I feel.

I have no interest in discussing the comments of a former US secretary as it's not part of what i'm discussing.

What sovereignty is being surrendered?

We literally have a veto on the European Army, this myth that we have to go with it has been proven wrong many times.

The middle part is the biggest load of shit I’ve read in a while on here.

Imperialism? Seriously? You want to go there?

What country has the EU invaded?

You question was on how and why we’d be desperate, I’ve shown you and given you the expertise from someone who used to be in office in the nation’s government, who we’re hoping will replace most of our lost trade with.

Why bother asking me if you don’t care?
 
What sovereignty is being surrendered?

We literally have a veto on the European Army, this myth that we have to go with it has been proven wrong many times.

The middle part is the biggest load of shit I’ve read in a while on here.

Imperialism? Seriously? You want to go there?

What country has the EU invaded?

You question was on how and why we’d be desperate, I’ve shown you and given you the expertise from someone who used to be in office in the nation’s government, who we’re hoping will replace most of our lost trade with.

Why bother asking me if you don’t care?
I think a lot of concern is born out of not trusting our own politicians to excersise the vetoes which you quite correctly point to.
 
And the EU has been negotiating on your behalf. Just as it did with the Canada deal, Japan deal and Brazil deal.
Before having the referendum in the first place MB.
I’ve said it many times in here. It was an ill prepared Referendum. It created a mess.
The GFA will always involve Us ,You and NI.
It should have been considered beforehand before putting a proper proposal to the people of the UK.

You put the cart before the horse because no Tory government ever has considered Ireland as anything other than an afterthought.
 
You think the various forms of IRA will only operate here in NI/RoI?

If they think they can influence the British (already sick of the "Irish Problem") to push a United Ireland...their targets will be the mainland.

Never said they didn’t.

I’m the one that’s arguing that the troubles will be bad, against someone who said they won’t.

So you’re responding to the wrong guy.
 
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