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George Hannah said:
It was an proposed as an alternative to the EU's proposed border down the Irish sea placing Northern Ireland in different legislative arrangements from the rest of the country.
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N.Ireland has been in different legislative arrangements to the rest of the UK for a large chunk of the period since partition. Of course that suited the Unionists at the time but no doubt they'll be squealing if a border down the Irish Sea is part of any WA.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Pretty obvious to anyone who has been arround the block and worked in business that this is going to be the end result. Could have been done earlier had May and her civil servants had any experience in negotiating or the desire for Brexit. Those panicking and peddling project fear like the BBC and the lib dems and the fickle labour party are actually playing into the UKs gov hands by making it look more likley that we are prepared to go the whole mile. It's only a matter of time before Merkel tells the EU leaders to renegotiate. The paymaster calls the shots as always and in this case the two biggest are Germany and the UK.
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Apologies .... I must have missed the bit where you

1) Solved the Irish border question

2) took back control of our borders

by having a hard Brexit.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Probably because at the current moment in time they don't exist. Something you should have explored in more detail before the referendum.
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That would have required thought, forward thinking and planning...... something the Tories are incapable of. Its the usual Conservative play of

1) Create a problem.
2) Listen to the uproar created by the problem.
3) Debate the problem.
4) Solve the problem (usually by throwing a load of money at it)
5) Claim the praise for solving the problem.

Rinse and Repeat.

This can be applied to any policy enacted by the Conservatives be it Police , Education , Health, Probation , Universal credit, Windrush, Brexit.................
 
johnnytapia said:
Amid all the doom and gloom, at last, some wonderfully positive news that hopefully is a harbinger of even greater future reductions:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/22/eu-migration-uk-lowest-level-since-2013-ons-data
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You think it’s wonderful news that the UK is no longer a desirable place to come for people from relatively affluent countries that are reasonably well educated yet it’s still desirable for more people from poorer countries that are culturally less like the UK? I wouldn’t worry though, in a couple of years no one will want to come here and there’ll be an even bigger queue of British people leaving.
 
lancs blue said:
N.Ireland has been in different legislative arrangements to the rest of the UK for a large chunk of the period since partition. Of course that suited the Unionists at the time but no doubt they'll be squealing if a border down the Irish Sea is part of any WA.
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True, the difference here is that if the border was in the Irish sea NI would remain outside UK control and subject to EU law.
 
According to the independent, nick boles reckons that Johnson will put forward a vote of no confidence in his government.
 
Blue Hefner said:
There’s something wrong with you. It was a lighthearted thought experiment, other have taken it in the spirit it was intended. Can you leave it now - for the 3rd time, please do not reply
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I already have left it. No-one is forcing you to reply to any of my posts.
 
aguero93:20 said:
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In a letter to the Labour leader, Nick Boles rejected Mr Corbyn’s call for cross-party talks on blocking no deal next week, instead arguing for legislation to force an extension to Article 50. The prime minister has refused to deny that No 10 is plotting a post-Halloween election if he is defeated in a vote of no confidence in the Commons as early as next month.

In his letter, Mr Boles agrees this could be “contrived” by the government, under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act, by two-thirds of MPs voting for it. But he adds: “Or it could lay a motion of no confidence in itself, instruct Conservative MPs to abstain so that the motion passes, and then do everything in its power to obstruct the appointment of a new prime minister at the head of a new government within the following 14 days.” Mr Boles warns: “It is clear that ... the Johnson government will seek to engineer the prorogation of parliament for an early election to be held on 1 November.”

What’s the next move for no-deal Brexit opponents?

Ruling out backing Mr Corbyn as a caretaker prime minister, the now-independent MP instead demanded a guarantee that Labour would never play along, to prove the “sincerity” of his opposition to no deal.
“It is therefore essential that you declare publicly that you will not facilitate an election before an extension of Article 50 has been secured and a no-deal Brexit has been averted,” Mr Boles wrote.
Labour has condemned the idea of a post-exit election and left open the option of supporting an alternative caretaker prime minister, to its leader, to do “everything necessary” to avert a crash-out.
The Boles letter underlines the divisions at parliament between the anti-Johnson forces wanting an early no-confidence vote – and those favouring legislation to bind the prime minister’s hands.
No 10 anticipates an attempt – on 9 September – to force an Article 50 extension, but MPs are divided on how exactly to do that and over whether the endgame is an election or a final say referendum. Opposition parties have agreed to attend the meeting Mr Corbyn has called for next Tuesday, with the Liberal Democrats, SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Green Party and the Independent Group for Change all signed up. However, one senior Tory, Caroline Spelman will boycott it, while her colleagues Dominic Grieve, Oliver Letwin and Guto Bebb have yet to give a response.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...brexit-no-confidence-nick-boles-a9074951.html
 
Duff analogy 237. Johnson says we'll be like a "flying buttress" to the EU.

So we're going to take the stress of holding up the EU edifice.

Maybe not so duff.
 
BobKowalski said:
The EU cannot stop a country from leaving. What they are doing is protecting and prioritising their own interests and those of the E27 above those of the UK. Brexit is not a domestic issue. We are attempting to disengage from international treaties that involve 27 other countries all of whom have their own agendas and domestic politics to consider. At no point was this going to be easy and was always going to involve trade offs, especially negative ones.
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By rejecting parallel talks and the introduction of the backstop into the WA, with its adverse impact on our negotiation of future trade deals, the EU are trying to ensure Brexit will be as damaging to us as possible. We should expect no less, it is their obligation to protect the remaining group by discouraging further depatures.
 
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George Hannah said:
By rejecting parallel talks and the introduction of the backstop into the WA, with its adverse impact on the negotiation of future trade deals, the EU are trying to ensure Brexit will be as damaging to us as possible. We should expect no less, it is their obligation to protect the remaining group by discouraging further depatures.
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Or to put it another way, they are making sure they are putting protection of the interests of their members ahead of other considerations as you'd expect. The fact that this would disadvantage us should have been recognised before we voted to leave and should therefore have been taken into account. Actually, thinking about it, it was recognised by Remain but was dismissed as part of Project Fear by the Leavers.
 
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