Var debate 2019/20

I can see VAR leading to more and more crowd trouble. Normally if fans feel cheated by a decision especially a big one they can instantly vent at the Ref. The Ref is now just a message boy for VAR so all that pent up anger goes against the opposition fans instead inside or outside the stadium.
 
Apparently there are two VAR officials in their little den. They can overrule very experienced refs and the liners role is somewhat diminished. So for each match we now have a total of six officials and they still can't get it right.

Where have all these officials come from to fill the new vacancies as the officials at each match have increased by 50% virtually overnight? It seems a lot have been promoted too fast and even over-promoted.

There is the same number of officials as last year but they are doing twice as much work. The bloke who did the VAR in Saturday against us was the one who was late for his match on the Sunday. Pep has said that they have taken too much on and no one should be doing two high profile matches in a weekend. Everything about how the clowns are running it is a joke except it is a little like a jimharri joke on off topic......it's not funny :_)
 
There is the same number of officials as last year but they are doing twice as much work. The bloke who did the VAR in Saturday against us was the one who was late for his match on the Sunday. Pep has said that they have taken too much on and no one should be doing two high profile matches in a weekend. Everything about how the clowns are running it is a joke except it is a little like a jimharri joke on off topic......it's not funny :_)

Obviously VAR officials have to be competent, but officiating a match requires a much broader skill set than applying VAR. They obviously don’t have to manage the players, they don’t require the same fitness levels. Rugby league refs frequently referee a match at the weekend and then act as video refs the next day, without anyone suggesting that they can’t do both.
 
Martin Samuel has picked up on the false claims.
That's great. i haven't seen what he has written yet but at least he knows a story when he sees one. Swarbrick has been quoted all week and has tried to twist the meaning of the words used in the IFAB laws document but no one has nailed him on it. It is obvious that the FA has pushed the handball rules further than stated by IFAB. There has been a lot of covering of backs this week. The VAR officials got both decisions wrong at the Spurs match but no one in the media wants to call them out for it. Perhaps the relationship between people like SKY Sports and the VAR leadership is too cosy and us fans are just not in the loop.
 
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Just have a difference of opinion Karen.

Already mentioned the negatives of VAR and have been more than balanced. For me it’s a case of really trying to make it work - however long it takes , rather than scraping it for the ‘old system’ where we have Refs and officials who make blind decisions.
It’s not about whether it works, whether it really starts to get the decisions right. It’s about it killing the emotions of goals, all goals.

You don’t know anymore whether some infringement you might not have seen will see a goal disallowed, even if there is nothing wrong with it, you don’t know at the time if you’ve missed something... so you can’t celebrate goals properly anymore.

It’s ruining what’s great about the sport.
 
It’s not about whether it works, whether it really starts to get the decisions right. It’s about it killing the emotions of goals, all goals.

You don’t know anymore whether some infringement you might not have seen will see a goal disallowed, even if there is nothing wrong with it, you don’t know at the time if you’ve missed something... so you can’t celebrate goals properly anymore.

It’s ruining what’s great about the sport.
Exactly and regardless of how much better VAR becomes,that celebration when a goal is scored is gone forever. That is the problem with VAR.
 
So if say a City player is obviously fouled and falls but foul not given but we score from a resultant shot that brushes the arm of the fouled player a penalty cannot be given but the goal can be disallowed despite the fouled player ignoring everything except his own balance?
 
So if say a City player is obviously fouled and falls but foul not given but we score from a resultant shot that brushes the arm of the fouled player a penalty cannot be given but the goal can be disallowed despite the fouled player ignoring everything except his own balance?

there are so many variables and "what if" scenarios, the new law is undermined and cannot be fairly imposed
 

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