Another new Brexit thread

[George Hannah]

The EU favour a customs border down the Irish Sea. They initially proposed it.

I know - as I have previously pointed out several times and we rejected it as a hostile attempt to break up the UK as the price of Brexit.

 

[BobKowalski]

Good article on borders and our current standoff with the EU

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/boris-johnson-is-asking-for-the-impossible-over-the-backstop/

 

[George Hannah]

Correct.The DUP nut-jobs would cheerfully wind back the clock on both the peace process and the border. They'd never say as much, but they'd rather see a return of the troubles than any concession which may be perceived as a step towards reunification.

I think that better describes the position of the political wing of the IRA and their supporters in the south.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I think that better describes the position of the political wing of the IRA and their supporters in the south.

Possibly - I'd imagine extremists on both sides need a reason to exist.

 

[west didsblue]

I think that better describes the position of the political wing of the IRA and their supporters in the south.

It is equally applicable to the extremists on both sides.

 

[George Hannah]

Nobody is trying to coerce the UK into remaining, the UK just hasn't been willing to accept the consequences of leaving yet. You've been offered two options to leave dictated by your own red lines but your parliament won't back either one. Tbh at this stage the majority of the EU27 would probably rather you just fucked off so we could move the focus onto other issues.

The wishes of 26 of them don't carry any weight with the one in charge though do they? That's the whole trouble with EU and why we want out.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Nobody is trying to coerce the UK into remaining, the UK just hasn't been willing to accept the consequences of leaving yet. You've been offered two options to leave dictated by your own red lines but your parliament won't back either one. Tbh at this stage the majority of the EU27 would probably rather you just fucked off so we could move the focus onto other issues.

You mean fucked off whilst still picking up a 39billion bill. Lol

 

[George Hannah]

It is equally applicable to the extremists on both sides.

and they are being fed by Varadkar and Selmayer for economic gain - contemptible hypocrisy with the encouragement of the US Irish lobby.

 

[BobKowalski]

The GFA requires an 'appropriate' border not 'no border' and such arrangements can be achieved with goodwill and cooperation, indeed they have already been agreed by Ireland and the EU for implementation in the event of a no deal. The obstacles to a solution have been systematically exploited for economic advantage by Varadkar and Selmayer.

There is little goodwill and cooperation between the DUP and Sinn Fein and the EU and Dublin haven’t agreed anything in a no deal scenario beyond a possible grace period. There will have to be a sustainable long term solution to the issue and it will require the consent of all parties. If there was an acceptable solution readily available then I’m pretty sure Johnson would have unveiled it at some point in the last two days.

 

[aguero93:20]

The wishes of 26 of them don't carry any weight with the one in charge though do they? That's the whole trouble with EU and why we want out.

Which ones in charge now? The Germans or the French? Both were in opposition to your last extension and were overruled by a majority of the commission.

 

[aguero93:20]

You mean fucked off whilst still picking up a 39billion bill. Lol

No mate, we really don't give a shit about the (now) £31bn bill. After we halt funding to UK based EU projects, the cost is fairly negligible spread across the bloc. The effect on the UK's credit rating of defaulting on it won't be though, considering your national debt.

 

[BobKowalski]

The wishes of 26 of them don't carry any weight with the one in charge though do they? That's the whole trouble with EU and why we want out.

This makes no sense. Your obsession with the Germans is straying into fruit loop territory.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

No mate, we really don't give a shit about the (now) £31bn bill. After we halt funding to UK based EU projects, the cost is fairly negligible spread across the bloc. The effect on the UK's credit rating of defaulting on it won't be though, considering your national debt.

Strange as Makron seems to give a shit! Perhaps because they will have to cough up a fair bit more. Perhaps the ROI could also up their 200m contribution to cover it? On a serious note leaving without a deal wouldn't be good for the UK or the EU and certainly not the ROI . That's why I'm pretty sure a deal is just round the corner.

 

[George Hannah]

Good article on borders and our current standoff with the EU

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/boris-johnson-is-asking-for-the-impossible-over-the-backstop/

Always interesting to read the Russian financed, approved Corbynite anti-UK pro-IRA perspective based on the fiction that "Ireland ultimately has a veto on the final EU-UK relationship." Good it is not.

 

[BobKowalski]

Majority supporting the backstop. Unionists opposing the backstop. The divide and recipe for future conflict laid bare. The only acceptable solution across the divide is the current status quo. But by supporting Brexit the DUP and other Unionist parties also oppose the current status quo so their citing of the GFA is perhaps ‘problematic’.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...tusk-supporting-brexit-backstop-38426562.html

 

[aguero93:20]

Strange as Makron seems to give a shit! Perhaps because they will have to cough up a fair bit more. Perhaps the ROI could also up their 200m contribution to cover it? On a serious note leaving without a deal wouldn't be good for the UK or the EU and certainly not the ROI . That's why I'm pretty sure a deal is just round the corner.

31bn, about 20bn of that is UK based projects (that you'll end up having to fund anyway). 11bn across 500m people over 4 years. Nah.

 

[aguero93:20]

Always interesting to read the Russian financed, approved Corbynite anti-UK pro-IRA perspective based on the fiction that "Ireland ultimately has a veto on the final EU-UK relationship." Good it is not.

We do though, it's a mixed competence deal with regards the border so you need qualified majority but also Irish backing.

 

[BobKowalski]

Always interesting to read the Russian financed, approved Corbynite anti-UK pro-IRA perspective based on the fiction that "Ireland ultimately has a veto on the final EU-UK relationship." Good it is not.

Ireland will have a veto on the final EU-UK relationship. All EU nations will. It’s how the EU works.

 

[aguero93:20]

Ireland will have a veto on the final EU-UK relationship. All EU nations will. It’s how the EU works.

They will after no deal. Before no deal it's 2/3rds of the EUP, a majority of the EC and Irish parliamentary assent (which may require a referendum).

 

[BobKowalski]

We do though, it's a mixed competence deal with regards the border so you need qualified majority but also Irish backing.

If we leave with no deal any future relationship deal will require full member agreement. The WA is the path to QMV if I recall correctly (could be wrong).