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Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I suppose once (if) a solution is found which makes the WA deal more palatable, it will soon become clear how many of those claiming to be against 'no deal' are in fact just Remainers prepared to say anything to throw,a spanner in Brexit. In darkness to the lib dems they are at least honest in this respect.
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the Lib Dems are certainly in darkness but I'm not sure they're honest about anything though ;)
 
George Hannah said:
Why is it any more problematic than Sinn Fein etc wanting a united Ireland?
"DUP MP Sir Jeffrey Donaldson said the letter confirmed that all unionist parties opposed the backstop.
He said it was clear the backstop did not have the support of both communities and that it would undermine the Good Friday Agreement as it would erect a border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.
"The best way to protect the Belfast Agreement and enjoy a positive north-south relationship is to have a sensible deal as we exit the European Union," the Lagan Valley MP said.
"Those who pedal scare stories about barbed wire and soldiers on checkpoints are being irresponsible. Neither London nor Dublin have any plans to go back to the borders of the 70s and 80s even in a no deal scenario."
Sir Jeffrey said that Mr Tusk had an obligation to consider the views of unionists.
"The Belfast Agreement was about balancing the views of unionists and nationalists yet these parties want to foist a deal on Northern Ireland which every unionist party opposes. So much for those parties’ commitments to a shared future," the DUP MP said."
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The DUP opposed the GFA and by supporting Brexit and championing regulatory divergence between NI and the RoI they have helped create the current problem. That they now complain about a compromise solution to the problem they helped create is a tad rich.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
In fairness that background probably makes him a better, or at least less parochial judge of the situation than a bunch of ex public school boys.
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You mean a bunch of ex British public school boys., I take it. Maybe. My point was more about him benefitting from ability to move abroad, something he wants to deny to EU citizens and UK citizens wanting to work in Europe.
Also over the years I have noticed that many of the most vocal anti Europeans are first generation arrivals. Portillo, Howard, Patel.

Psychologically I guess as youngsters they felt outsiders and decided to become super English. Only a theory mind, although Napoleon, Stalin and Hitler also fit into this category.
 
George Hannah said:
The joint EU/UK Alternative Arrangements panel has proposed phased measures which would preserve the legal integrity of the EU and the GFA free movement provisions. No need for any backstop except to prevent Brexit.
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Although Hands has admitted that some of their proposals would take 2-3 years to implement
 
BobKowalski said:
The DUP opposed the GFA and by supporting Brexit and championing regulatory divergence between NI and the RoI they have helped create the current problem. That they now complain about a compromise solution to the problem they helped create is a tad rich.
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Minimizing regulatory divergence through discrete NI tariffs should be a key component of a successful post Brexit EU alignment and was proposed by Mervyn King in 2016. It is a lamentable consequence of the 2017 election that DUP intransigence has prevented that solution.
 
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Damocles said:
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2019/08/22/world/europe/22reuters-britain-eu-nireland-explainer.html
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HOW DID BUSINESS GROUPS RESPOND

Manufacturing Northern Ireland, the main lobby group for the sector, said the report left fundamental questions unanswered and would lump costs and complexities onto a business community with neither the capacity, experience nor capital required to deliver untested solutions. It would "kill firms, damage consumers and inflict a level of surveillance onto border communities which doesn't have their consent," the group said.
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George Hannah said:
Minimizing regulatory divergence through discrete NI tariffs should be a key component of a successful post Brexit EU alignment and was proposed by Mervyn King in 2016. It is a lamentable consequence of the 2017 election that DUP intransigence has prevented that solution.
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Brexiteers want maximum regulatory divergence. Johnson has said as much. The funding behind this drive wants the U.K. to be in regulatory alignment with the US as there will be a lot of serious money to be made in opening the U.K. market to US agriculture and health services. That is the point of Brexit. A Brexit where we remain aligned to the EU is pointless.

The consequence of Brexit will be high trade barriers to the EU market and either NI remaining in the EU sphere or even partial or full Irish reunification.
 
BobKowalski said:
Brexiteers want maximum regulatory divergence. Johnson has said as much. The funding behind this drive wants the U.K. to be in regulatory alignment with the US as there will be a lot of serious money to be made in opening the U.K. market to US agriculture and health services. That is the point of Brexit. A Brexit where we remain aligned to the EU is pointless.
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From the Financial Times in Feb 2018:

Boris Johnson has called for Britain to diverge from EU rules on medical research, financial services and environmental impact assessments, in a speech that otherwise gave little clarity about the government’s Brexit position. Members of Theresa May’s cabinet are yet to agree how far the UK should offer to align its regulation with the EU, in exchange for extensive access to the single market, after the end of the transition period
 
Damocles said:
From the Financial Times in Feb 2018:

Boris Johnson has called for Britain to diverge from EU rules on medical research, financial services and environmental impact assessments, in a speech that otherwise gave little clarity about the government’s Brexit position. Members of Theresa May’s cabinet are yet to agree how far the UK should offer to align its regulation with the EU, in exchange for extensive access to the single market, after the end of the transition period
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Here's the Mervyn King Newsnight interview from 2016 discussing NI border from about 4' 10" in
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Is the correct answer I think those saying we can’t have no deal seem to be the ones desperate to have no deal
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I'm not sure any of our politicians could even lie straight in bed they are so bent. It seems all the ones saying they want a deal want no deal, and all the ones saying they want to prevent no deal want ro remain. They'd better hope the British electorate are the bunch of fuckwits they evidently think they are at the next GE.
 
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