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[The Stockport Iniesta]

The whole team selection is a joke. Buttler is being picked solely as a batsman and is batting at 7 lol, he's coming in after the all rounder and WK. Imagine a specialist batsman worth his salt being asked to bat 7, it's ludicrous.

 

[ancoats]

Yes sadly the constant diet of t20 and one dayers has made the modern day batsman in a hurry and to be quite blunt clueless even at test level.
It's all very sad.

you know what i don't think its a daft idea to play people like roy or butler in test cricket ?? its the idea of asking them to play test style cricket and just sit in and block and block and leave ?? if they can smash the ball all around the park in ODI cricket and score quick 50s or 100s then don't ask them to do something else in test cricket, if you pick all the ODI team and they score 30 odd quick runs each you have a very good score on the board ?? also the bowling team would very quickly move the field to the ropes and bowl run saving balls to slow down the run rate ??

its horses for courses and only the very very best world cricketers can play all 3 codes of cricket, but the big hitters win the games in 20/20 and ODI, but in test cricket don't ask them to sit and stay in and block and leave for 4 or 5 hours and score and nick 1s and 2s a get 50 or 100 in the meantime, it just not going to work, maybe ask them to score quick runs and take the new ball and smash the life out of it and get them moving the field around

the thing for me is the ECB are clueless and don't give a flying fuck about test cricket because of the ODI world cup in england ?? they knew 4 years ago that all the eggs are going into ODI and trying to win the cricket world cup ?? everybody knew it and tv and radio pundits was shocked at the lack of input into test cricket by the ECB and the future plans going forward, and question should be asked when moeen ali and jimmy anderson are still the main guys in the bowling attack, and don't get me started on captain root

 

[waspish]

Its all about the money as usual, this series started test matches of world cup but england are the team that will play more games by 3 all because of the greed of ECB this test match world cup should been a change to update test match cricket and all teams play 3 test matched! Not 1 one of test match not a 2 test match series or a 4/5 test match series but a 3 test match series for every team.

 

[Daz_Blue]

Are there any candidates to take the captaincy if Root loses it? I can't think of any.

 

[meltonblue]

you know what i don't think its a daft idea to play people like roy or butler in test cricket ?? its the idea of asking them to play test style cricket and just sit in and block and block and leave ?? if they can smash the ball all around the park in ODI cricket and score quick 50s or 100s then don't ask them to do something else in test cricket, if you pick all the ODI team and they score 30 odd quick runs each you have a very good score on the board ?? also the bowling team would very quickly move the field to the ropes and bowl run saving balls to slow down the run rate ??

its horses for courses and only the very very best world cricketers can play all 3 codes of cricket, but the big hitters win the games in 20/20 and ODI, but in test cricket don't ask them to sit and stay in and block and leave for 4 or 5 hours and score and nick 1s and 2s a get 50 or 100 in the meantime, it just not going to work, maybe ask them to score quick runs and take the new ball and smash the life out of it and get them moving the field around

the thing for me is the ECB are clueless and don't give a flying fuck about test cricket because of the ODI world cup in england ?? they knew 4 years ago that all the eggs are going into ODI and trying to win the cricket world cup ?? everybody knew it and tv and radio pundits was shocked at the lack of input into test cricket by the ECB and the future plans going forward, and question should be asked when moeen ali and jimmy anderson are still the main guys in the bowling attack, and don't get me started on captain root

Test match cricket is completely different, the pitches, the ball, everything. It is not horses for courses at all, as shown by Roy in particular in this series. You absolutely have to play a different style.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

you know what i don't think its a daft idea to play people like roy or butler in test cricket ?? its the idea of asking them to play test style cricket and just sit in and block and block and leave ?? if they can smash the ball all around the park in ODI cricket and score quick 50s or 100s then don't ask them to do something else in test cricket, if you pick all the ODI team and they score 30 odd quick runs each you have a very good score on the board ?? also the bowling team would very quickly move the field to the ropes and bowl run saving balls to slow down the run rate ??

its horses for courses and only the very very best world cricketers can play all 3 codes of cricket, but the big hitters win the games in 20/20 and ODI, but in test cricket don't ask them to sit and stay in and block and leave for 4 or 5 hours and score and nick 1s and 2s a get 50 or 100 in the meantime, it just not going to work, maybe ask them to score quick runs and take the new ball and smash the life out of it and get them moving the field around

the thing for me is the ECB are clueless and don't give a flying fuck about test cricket because of the ODI world cup in england ?? they knew 4 years ago that all the eggs are going into ODI and trying to win the cricket world cup ?? everybody knew it and tv and radio pundits was shocked at the lack of input into test cricket by the ECB and the future plans going forward, and question should be asked when moeen ali and jimmy anderson are still the main guys in the bowling attack, and don't get me started on captain root

Tests and the one day game/t20 are completely different games mate.

Ask Neil Fairbrother, or Morgan, great odi players but found out in tests.

Your wrong if you think odi hitters can just turn up in tests and smash it all over the ground. Any weakness gets found out, bowlers and field placement are much more aggressive in tests, and the best bowlers aren't limited to bowling just 1/5th of the overs.

How often do you see 3 or 4 slips in a odi? Virtually never, odi cricket is about keeping it tight, tests are about taking wicket's.

 

[ancoats]

Tests and the one day game/t20 are completely different games mate.

Ask Neil Fairbrother, or Morgan, great odi players but found out in tests.

Your wrong if you think odi hitters can just turn up in tests and smash it all over the ground. Any weakness gets found out, bowlers and field placement are much more aggressive in tests, and the best bowlers aren't limited to bowling just 1/5th of the overs.

How often do you see 3 or 4 slips in a odi? Virtually never, odi cricket is about keeping it tight, tests are about taking wicket's.

so why pick them in the first place ???? if you are going to pick ODI big hitters don't ask them to play test style cricket ??

sometimes just let them play their own style and smash the shirt out of the ball, they say if your going to swing the bat swing it hard ?? and if it takes the edge it will fly over the slips in a way its better than just being a sitting duck. the trouble is lake of planning by the ECB for the ashes and its not just this years ashes it was also the the last one downunder as well,

ODI world cup was number 1 by the ECB and anything else was just left to do its own thing by mixing the 3 other codes to knock up a team for the ashes, and how can you ask roy or butler stokes to not hit he ball out of the park ???? am not buying into this white ball over red ball cricket is different game ?? the trouble start when you start to do something that is not your game, like i said just let them do what they do best, white or red ball you have to hit the the bloody thing and if your games is to open up then do what your do best

we have seen in the past the big hitter in test cricket can be a part of test cricket and you have to let them play their own game, but its the foundations of this squad and lack of test cricket that is the problem, the setup is wrong and the batting order is a mess and the opening pair and root coming in at 3, they need to score runs or bat for a long time and the rest can settle into the game and take the pressure off the big hitters getting runs

the ECB need to be shot and a new setup from the people in the game that love cricket and test cricket be aloud to sort this mess out, coaches manager captain players everything needs to be cleaned out

 

[the plasterer]

Genuine question here, regardless of England’s recent batting form, is a 300 run chase doable at Headingley??, what will Australia regard as a safe score to defend??

 

[roypaulknewmyfather]

On a really simple, maybe obvious level to some, Labuschange who came in as concussion sub has now got 3 consecutive 50+ scores. He's been playing for Glamorgan for the season and scored over 1,000 runs for them. He's used to patiently building an innings and playing the conditions. There are several players on the County circuit who could do the same for England but aren't considered. White ball specialists of the "see ball hit ball" order get picked instead. Smith and Taylor should have spent more time at County games rather than in hospitality boxes in the World Cup.

 

[lancs blue]

Genuine question here, regardless of England’s recent batting form, is a 300 run chase doable at Headingley??, what will Australia regard as a safe score to defend??

I can't remember too many Headingley tests over the years that go to the 5th day without weather being responsible, it tends to be a bowler-friendly track. I think the Aussies will probably be bowled out with a lead of 330-350 without the need for a declaration and that will be an almost impossible 4th innings target for this batting line-up.

 

[meltonblue]

so why pick them in the first place ???? if you are going to pick ODI big hitters don't ask them to play test style cricket ??

sometimes just let them play their own style and smash the shirt out of the ball, they say if your going to swing the bat swing it hard ?? and if it takes the edge it will fly over the slips in a way its better than just being a sitting duck. the trouble is lake of planning by the ECB for the ashes and its not just this years ashes it was also the the last one downunder as well,

ODI world cup was number 1 by the ECB and anything else was just left to do its own thing by mixing the 3 other codes to knock up a team for the ashes, and how can you ask roy or butler stokes to not hit he ball out of the park ???? am not buying into this white ball over red ball cricket is different game ?? the trouble start when you start to do something that is not your game, like i said just let them do what they do best, white or red ball you have to hit the the bloody thing and if your games is to open up then do what your do best

we have seen in the past the big hitter in test cricket can be a part of test cricket and you have to let them play their own game, but its the foundations of this squad and lack of test cricket that is the problem, the setup is wrong and the batting order is a mess and the opening pair and root coming in at 3, they need to score runs or bat for a long time and the rest can settle into the game and take the pressure off the big hitters getting runs

the ECB need to be shot and a new setup from the people in the game that love cricket and test cricket be aloud to sort this mess out, coaches manager captain players everything needs to be cleaned out

The ECB absolutely needs to refocus on test cricket but I think you’ve got it wrong in terms of what the players are being asked to do (or, what they are playing, at least). They are playing their own style which is more suited to 50 over cricket. None of them seem capable of leaving the ball when it’s missing off for example and go searching for it, which is a product of the limited over behaviour of chasing runs. They’re also trying to go after bowlers way too early.

 

[journolud]

Genuine question here, regardless of England’s recent batting form, is a 300 run chase doable at Headingley??, what will Australia regard as a safe score to defend??

Tough but a decent batting line up might get close. Not sure about a mediocre one struggling for form and confidence.

 

[razman]

have to get them out below 210-220

 

[MeatnSpudsMCFC]

Getting absolutely battered and you’re sat in the stands dressed as a penguin. Think I’d rather be at work.

 

[Wretched Vengeance]

This is going to be another comprehensive kicking.

The Aussies will seek to completely destroy us here and they'll enjoy every second of it.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

200+ run victory sadly.

 

[razman]

pathetic that

 

[Dr Jacoby]

Bairstow and Buttler should be dropped.

 

[lancs blue]

Bairstow and Buttler should be dropped.

Yep we play two keepers - neither of whom are great keepers - in the hope that they bat well, which is a waste of fucking time if they don't.

 

[waspish]

Before the world cup if asked would you rather win the world cup or the Ashes which one would you pick?

I would say the world cup 100% its just very disappointing how we doing in the ashes.