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George Hannah said:
That you misuse the word 'dismissed' and seem unable to reflect upon or debate the serious issues involved rationally.
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So far you’ve made 4 posts to me this morning and not a single one has any detail about how it will work. Your stance is to keep saying there’s a report that’s been done but this report isn’t even being used by Johnson and he’s desperate to get concessions on the backstop.

If he does and we leave with a deal, he’ll ace a general election.

The fact he isn’t presenting this report to the EU tells you everything, doesn’t it?

For the record it has been dismissed, none of the key players have said it will work.
 
Ban-jani said:
So far you’ve made 4 posts to me this morning and not a single one has any detail about how it will work. Your stance is to keep saying there’s a report that’s been done but this report isn’t even being used by Johnson and he’s desperate to get concessions on the backstop.m If he does and we leave with a deal, he’ll ace a general election. The fact he isn’t presenting this report to the EU tells you everything, doesn’t it?
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The detail was supplied in plentiful amounts on here last night and BJ has repeatedly endorsed the AA Report as providing the basis for a solution to the border problems in every public appearance on this trip.
 
Rascal said:
Thanks mate, it is my honest appraisal of democracy, it was not meant to be skewed in favour of any position but you make a very valid point. Democracy can be hijacked and subverted by nefarious means and therein lies the dishonesty. Hayek stated freedom was the lack of coercion, therefore the coercion used by the likes of Cambridge analytica is anti freedom and anti democratic.

The sad outcome of the whole Brexit debate is not the result, it is the negative effects it is having on our democracy.
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Exactly right. The whole CA thing is really an attack on democracy irrespective of what side they batted for. We are very close to something similar being applied to all sides of an election. A data war.
 
George Hannah said:
The detail was supplied in plentiful amounts on here last night and BJ has repeatedly endorsed the AA Report as providing the basis for a solution to the border problems in every public appearance on this trip.
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I was on here last night and must have missed it, I’ve gone and had a look through and still can’t find where you’ve given detail on it.

Has he? Do you have a link please? The last thing I heard was the NI business sector condemning the report and Johnson saying we’ll try and find a solution in 30 days.
 
George Hannah said:
Simply that it is being used as a bargaining chip for future trade negotiations by locking the UK into EU regulations through inclusion in the WA.
It should just be the agreed framework for resolution of the difficult Irish border issues in a future EU trade deal post Brexit.
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Do Remainers really not understand this? Or is this just a ruse so they can claim to be supporting a deal, safe in the knowledge their bluff won’t be called? Remainers in Parliament certainly haven’t voted for a deal containing the backstop.
 
mcfc1632 said:
The EU, aided and abetted by Varadkar and his replacements, will not find any alternative solutions - no matter how effective - acceptable for decades if we are stupid enough to sign a WA with an unfettered backstop

It is a cynical contrivance dressed up to appear essential and noble - when it is neither

Fuck - it is quite sad how many Remainers support it simply because it appears to be disliked by the Leave supporters. They fail to recognise that they actively support committing the UK to significant harm for decades to come - it appears that there really are none so blind.....​
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I cant speak for others but why would any 'remainer' support any part of a Brexit solution? In the main, we are not looking for the least worst outcome, remain in the EU is remain in the EU. If, as seems likely, we do exit this year, Remainers will continue to argue and campaign for membership of the EU because they believe its the best outcome for the UK. I would expect 'Leavers' to feel exactly the same should we remain. Your claim that remainers wish to damage the UK by 'supporting' the backstop is just plain wrong. I could say the same of those that support riding roughshod over the GFA.
 
George Hannah said:
They are exploiting the Irish Republic's constitutional commitments and ambitions to keep the UK within the EU trading area for an indefinite period while not a party to its control. Additionally, for the duration of the two-year transition stage + an indefinite backstop period, the entire UK remains subject to its existing EU trading arrangements and is not able to conclude new trade deals. This is not the case for the EU who can continue to conclude new deals throughout the transition period and beyond.
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And subject to any other regulations the EU choose to bring forwards whilst we are stuck in limbo land and have no say
 
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aguero93:20 said:
That's your belief mate and you're entitled to it tbf.
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This reply to a post from GH saying:

"There was never a time when the EU would agree to let us out, it's not in their interest. Their 'deal' is and has always been just a crash out after a two year delay for their own better preparation and economic realignment"

A view which is entirely correct - except that the EU will keep us in a straightjacket for a lot longer than 2 years - and one shared my millions of people and is strengthened by the behaviour and language of the EU and Varadkar - and that of some on this thread

Some people are enjoying the discomfiture into which the fuckwits Robbins and May have placed the UK - all those that have the UK's interests as a priority should understand what is happening and utterly reject this cynical contrivance

I can understand you enjoying the Lols - I despair at other Remainers who ether do not understand the subject(s) (despite the volume of their posts) or prefer to see harm to the UK just so long as they can feel they are winning a position on an internet forum
 
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hgblue said:
Two years. Enough time for all businesses affected to register online as a trusted trader and for the online declaration system to bed in so no need for paperwork at the border.
Checks will be needed but they will be carried out on site or be intelligence led and carried out away from the border. All perfectly reasonable stuff.
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Two years? It’s taken six years to roll out the Universal Credit system and its still a screw up.

Also love to be the official checking out firms and farms in South Armagh.

As I said good luck.
 
mcfc1632 said:
And subject to any other regulations the EU choose to bring forwards whilst we are stuck in limbo land ae no say
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Seeing that nearly half our exports will have to meet EU regs anyway, how many firms will make different stuff for different areas?
 
mcfc1632 said:
The EU, aided and abetted by Varadkar and his replacements, will not find any alternative solutions - no matter how effective - acceptable for decades if we are stupid enough to sign a WA with an unfettered backstop

It is a cynical contrivance dressed up to appear essential and noble - when it is neither

Fuck - it is quite sad how many Remainers support it simply because it appears to be disliked by the Leave supporters. They fail to recognise that they actively support committing the UK to significant harm for decades to come - it appears that there really are none so blind.....​
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You mistake our intentions, we've been above board in all this so far, unlike the UK government.
 
mcfc1632 said:
This reply to a post from GH saying:

"There was never a time when the EU would agree to let us out, it's not in their interest. Their 'deal' is and has always been just a crash out after a two year delay for their own better preparation and economic realignment"

A view which is entirely correct - except that the EU will keep us in a straightjacket for a lot longer than 2 years - and one shared my millions of people and is strengthened by the behaviour and language of the EU and Varadkar - and that of some on this thread

Some people are enjoying the discomfiture into which the fuckwits Robbins and May have placed the UK - all those that have the UK's interests as a priority should understand what is happening and utterly reject this cynical contrivance

I can understand you enjoying the Lols - I despair at other Remainers who ether do not understand the subject(s) (despite the volume of their posts) or prefer to see harm to the UK just so long as they can feel they are winning a position on an internet forum
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If you want full access to the single market, you obey the rules of the single market. That's not a straitjacket mate, that's just the world and the way it works. If you don't believe me, walk into your local tonight, refuse to pay for your drinks and take a piss on the bar.
 
Has anybody pointed out that no deal is in fact a deal in itself.

I always thought that was the rationale behind May's "no deal is better than a bad deal"

Semantics maybe, but when you actually think about it, it does make sense. Leaving with the deal of no deal is better than leaving with a deal that is worse that the deal we currently have.
 
Vic said:
I think it's not the report we need to see (and i couldn't give too much credence to anything with Nicky Morgan's endorsement), it's the rebuttal to the rebuttal of the ideas in the port.
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As has already been pointed out many times, the EU/Irish regard the backstop as 'temporary' only in so far as its sole purpose is to prevent Brexit or failing that enable the south to capture the north,
 
George Hannah said:
As has already been pointed out many times, the EU/Irish regard the backstop as 'temporary' only in so far as its sole purpose is to prevent Brexit or failing that enable the south to capture the north,
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I doubt that the south would want to capture the north under the present circumstances
 
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