United thread 2019/20

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Everything that has happened and continues to happen to them has been predictable. Many of us have predicted it.

It really boils down to something quite simple. There never was a "United way." It was a Ferguson way. When he was done, so were they.

 

[Blueknows]

United have spent £524m net since 2014 compared to our £516m.

and not far off a BILLION since they last won the league

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

Too big to fail? Just like

Kodak
General Motors
Toys R Us
Pan Am
Blockbuster

All huge companies who dominated their markets, rested on their laurels thinking they were too big to fail, failed to innovate and adapt to the change in their markets and failed to keep up with newer companies which entered the market and existing companies which did adapt to change. All those companies then started to throw money about just to keep up and all of they eventually failed and went under

Sounds familiar?

Absolutely correct. Said it before -- the fall of Manchester United will make an excellent case study at Harvard Business School some day.

There may be a clue in their failures in the very advice their former manager gave those very same HBS students (oh, the height of irony) when he described "complete control" as a key management tenet of his. He wanted it and the "we don't know dick about football" ownership was only to happy to give it to him . . . but as owners often do, they were determined to regain that control when he left.

The thing is, he did everything. No one does everything any more, and no ownership group would allow for that anyhow.

And when autocratic megalomaniacs leave organizations, if they were great leaders they rarely care about what happens after. If they succeed, they can take credit for building the foundation. If they fail, they can shrug and say the failure is because they aren't there.

Best thing that could possibly happen would be for the Glazers to sell.

 

[SebastianBlue]

What's happened to Fred,can't make the bench.

To be fair, he wasn’t bought for his carpentry skills.

 

[Vienna_70]

I don’t think they’ve ever spent 2 consecutive seasons out of the CL so if they get knocked out this season and don’t finish top 4, that’ll likely hit them in the pocket in a number of ways. They’ve got a big wage bill so they’d either have to carry on paying that with less income or cut it down a fair bit, which means getting rid of higher paid players. As these are generally the better ones, that could see them slip down the table. If they were to miss out on Europe altogether they could really struggle. Any decent players leave, they lose ticket money, tv and presumably commercial income. They might even hit a point where they’re struggling to pay the interest on their debt and the money they pay the Glazers. We had to sell SWP when we were in that position & that could happen to them. So they slip further down the league and the Glazers try to sell but no one wants the train wreck they’ve created. Eventually they end up like Bolton.

We can dream.

In order to shed these top earners, those players would probably have to take a pay cut as other teams aren’t stupid enough to pay the salaries that the rags do. Which players, in their right mind, would voluntarily reduce their wages?

Either that or the rags will have to subsidise the pay of these players to offload them, as has been rumoured is the situation with the mercenary.

Also, the players they want to retain are holding them to ransom with their wage demands in their contract negotiations, as seems to be the case with the alpaca and consequently rags are receiving salaries far beyond what their ability justifies. £195k/week for Rashford is absurd.

Paying the pianist as much as they do, in order to, as they thought at the time, get one over on Manchester City, is going to prove a very expensive mistake in the course of the next few years.

 

[roy.or.r]

They are crying about VAR now at ragcafe. Everything was fine when they didn't give us the goal or the penalty against Spurs. Karma is a bitch you rag twats.

 

[TonyM]

From what I’ve seen in their past 3 games I don’t think that they’ll lose that many games but I think they’ll draw quite a few. They seem to have an energy that wasn’t there under Mourinho. But they don’t have enough match winners either.

Let’s say ...
Wins: 16
Draws: 16
Losses: 6
Points: 48+16=64 (6th?)

 

[Blueknows]

Arf goldbridge sums them up well

 

[BertTrautmann'sParachute]

To be fair, he wasn’t bought for his carpentry skills.

Really? I thought he was supposed to supply crosses.

 

[BosnianBlue]

 

[deegee33]

8th.

Generous.

 

[Bluekiwi]

Just seen a poll on the ESPN web site with half a dozen options of where the rags will finish.
At the time of this post there had been almost 240,000 votes cast - 13% (or 30,000) think they will be Champions!!!!!
Deluded clowns.

 

[FantasyIreland]

VAR was correct in both instances yesterday.They have no reason for complaint,in that respect.

I'm so glad it looks like Pogba is sticking around,he's a huge part of their problems.

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

This result was always coming.

There was far too much hype after the 4-0 win against Chelsea, which was quite a bizarre game in all honestly. I thought United were poor but ended up beating a top six team by four goals.

After Mourinho got sacked, Gary Neville was saying United needed to go and recruit the “best of”, in every department. This is essentially what we’ve done with Pep, Txiki and world class players on the pitch.

Instead, they hired a manager who I don’t think another top sixty club in the league would touch, signed players who have won no trophies and have no CL or EL experience - and didn’t even bother to sign a DoF!

This is the new norm for United, let’s all enjoy it.

One slight tweak to the above ;-)

And don't get me started on the footballing oracle that is G-Nev...........

 

[Onholiday(somemightsay)]

I wonder if Harry thinks he may have been a little short-sighted joining the rags. More Mr Magoo than Mr Maguire!

Yeh but his salary has probably quadrupled........

 

[r.soleofsalford]

Arf goldbridge sums them up well

I have to agree that Harry Maguires shouting was world class.

 

[Rascal]

I hate the ****s with a passion and I love how they are becoming THE comedy club, however I do find it really disturbing that Rashford, a Manc lad is getting racist abuse from their half witted moronic element. I doubt it is Manc based reds who are giving him abuse as we generally don't do that to our own.

It is easy to generalise, but I have met a fair number of reds who are not from Manchester who proclaim to hate Manchester.

Thick twats

 

[East Level 2]

Have to admit I'm worried as they are showing signs of having a great season:
Tonked Chelsea at home
Draw 1-1 at Wolves
Lost at home to Palace

Last team to do that won three domestic trophies.

 

[East Level 2]

.....
It is easy to generalise, but I have met a fair number of reds who are not from Manchester who proclaim to hate Manchester.
Thick twats

Like all the rag scrotes telling us to "fuck off back to Manchester" before the semi in 2011?

 

[Mad Eyed Screamer]

I preferred it when the backdrop was his bedroom wall..... And what the fuck is that haircut / man bun all about?