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Churchlawtonblue said:
No pressure from domestic EU businesses. Aside from the head of the German CBI who stated a few days before the referendum that they would actively campaign against any trade tariffs if the UK voted to leave. Oh there's pressure alright. Massive pressure. Throw in a 39b deficit in the EU budget and the threat of the ROI Germany and possibly France going into a recession? There's a pressure alright. Lets see who blinks first.
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There is no pressure. Your quote was from over three years ago. German business accepts that it’s in their long term interests to protect the EU Single Market. Whatever happens to them also happens to us ten fold. The EU do not want no deal but the will accept to deal.

From the BBC

‘EU leaders of course still prefer to avoid no deal #Brexit but they are mentally prepared and there’s no clamouring from voters, big business in EU to make huge compromises to get deal with UK. Eg German biggest business lobby BDI backs EU position’

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...drawal-agreement-to-be-reopened-idUKKCN1VB0OT
 
Blue Hefner said:
I'm assuming the Millennium Bug comparison was a joke?

Was Jeremy Hunt 'scaremongering' when he said only a couple of months ago he would see businesses close with a 'heavy heart' but would still go for no-deal'? Was Michael Gove when he explained, in detail, how the farming industry will suffer because of overnight tariffs? Was the £ scaremongering when it plummeted V the € and the $?
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You only need to look at what is happening to America with the farcical US v World trade war, and the extensive damage that is causing to many, many sectors of their economy to get a glimpse of what to expect from a No Deal Brexit.

Except, it will likely be more destructive for us, as it will be nearly overnight, with little to no advance mitigation based on the current brinksmanship.
 
bluethrunthru said:
And now we have the proposal to prorogue Parliament to force through No Deal. At least we have proof now that the Right Wing Coup is on and that nothing Johnson says can be trusted given he has repeatedly denied he was considering it. And this is democracy? Ha ha ha ha ha
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I am thinking that you will find that there are many millions of UK citizens that cannot be considered remotely right-wing who will tolerate this if it can bring an end to the machinations of those at Westminster who are supposed to represent us and have clearly not been doing so.
 
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kevin horlocks wand said:
Except it’s not a precedent is it, from guido .......

The news of Boris’s planned prorogation has naturally sent Remainers into hysterics, calling the move “undemocratic“, “outrageous” and comparing the PM to a “tin pot dictator” – all for using a bog-standard procedural technique.

prorogation has historically been used by Attlee, Major and Canadian PM Stephen Harper for political purposes. The move is even less surprising when taking into account the UK is currently enjoying the longest Parliamentary session ever since 1653, so a Queen’s Speech is long overdue.

it would be helpful to remind everyone that John major used it which he used to cover up the cash for questions scandal – lasted from the March 21 until the 1997 General Election: a period of 6 weeks, compare this to today’s announced prorogation that will result in Parliament losing only 4 sitting days
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With reference to my early reply

‘Suspension of parliament for five weeks will be longest prorogation since 1945, Hansard Society tells Guardian’

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-parliament-aimed-at-evading-scrutiny-of-mps?
 
cptaidan88 said:
The £ taking an absolute battering the day before having to book multiple European flights, is a fucking kick in the nads.
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Mate, at this rate, I’ll never be able to move back.

Which is depressing, as I don’t enjoy being in the US, and had planned to only be here for 5 years at most.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
I'm sure someone as obsessed with the Nazis as you appear to be will find Nazism everywhere. For example people drive cars... so did the Nazis!!

What change to the constitution are you even referring to?

"Undemocratically bypassing Parliament"? Prorogation has been used before, it;s not a new thing, nor is it "undemocratic".

If those regions want sovereignty that is entirely their decision. I notice you didn't mention Wales or England's sovereignty from the UK either. Interesting.

I'm also guessing the concept of Lexit completely passed you by, didn't it.
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I'm sure someone as obsessed with the "Nazis as you appear to be will find Nazism everywhere. For example people drive cars... so did the Nazis!!"

Nope, just the parliamentary & political similarities are needed. Unless you're saying there are no similarities?

"What change to the constitution are you even referring to?"

Leaving the EU??

"Prorogation has been used before, it;s not a new thing, nor is it "undemocratic"."

So we're in the midst of a constitutional crisis. So a minority government (propped up by a party who believe the earth is only 6000 years old, & dinosaurs never existed), decide to bypass the UK's elected politicians to force through a no deal Brexit no one voted for, isn't "undemocratic"? So what has Johnson to fear by not proroguing parliament?

"If those regions want sovereignty that is entirely their decision. I notice you didn't mention Wales or England's sovereignty from the UK either. Interesting."

Ireland want their country back, as do Scotland. Where do you stand on this, or is the recovery of one's sovereignty only the preserve of the UK?

In terms of England, sorry I must have missed the calls for independence from the rest of the UK. Seeing as the UK's run from London, I'd imagine that would be like England wanting independence from itself. Actually, didn't Derek Hatton float the idea of Merseyside declaring independence from the rest of England? Perhaps that's what you're talking about.
 
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BobKowalski said:
There is no pressure. Your quote was from over three years ago. German business accepts that it’s in their long term interests to protect the EU Single Market. Whatever happens to them also happens to us ten fold. The EU do not want no deal but the will accept to deal.

From the BBC

‘EU leaders of course still prefer to avoid no deal #Brexit but they are mentally prepared and there’s no clamouring from voters, big business in EU to make huge compromises to get deal with UK. Eg German biggest business lobby BDI backs EU position’

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-b...drawal-agreement-to-be-reopened-idUKKCN1VB0OT
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Sorry but I find it helps to see both sides of a debate. Not just the one you favour!
 
Ban-jani said:
He should apologise, as I will if no deal turns out to be good, I mean I’m sure it won’t but if it does turn out to be not too bad, which I’m hoping for, I’ll come on and say sorry.

He’s been a total see you next Tuesday and incredibly rude, despite all the evidence being against him, so why shouldn’t he apologise if he’s proved wrong?
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Rude?? you call me that after you have called me all manner of names and stupidly called me a liar

Stop whinging and try reading what people post - you might embarrass yourself less

If you had bothered you would have realised the truth of what I have just said to KKW - there is no guarantee that walk-away options force the other party to move - but they are essential

Anyway I suspect that your heightened levels of sensitivity are driven by the news today - best hide in one of the holes that you have recently dug and put your fingers in your ears
 
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SebastianBlue said:
Mate, at this rate, I’ll never be able to move back.

Which is depressing, as I don’t enjoy being in the US, and had planned to only be here for 5 years at most.
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I would have expected it to have recovered a bit in 5 years time. You're best out of it until then.
 
Whatever your views on Brexit the mess we are in is entirely down to the 600 odd idiots who populate our Parliament and the wish washy excuse for a PM that failed miserably in her dealings with the rest of Europe.

You think those responsible for VAR are clueless, they are like a bunch of Einstein's by comparisson to the twits in Westminster.
 
Dribble said:
I'm sure someone as obsessed with the "Nazis as you appear to be will find Nazism everywhere. For example people drive cars... so did the Nazis!!"

Nope, just the parliamentary & political similarities are needed. Unless you're saying there are no similarities?

"What change to the constitution are you even referring to?"

Leaving the EU??

"Prorogation has been used before, it;s not a new thing, nor is it "undemocratic"."

So we're in the midst of a constitutional crisis. So a minority government (propped up by a party who believe the earth is only 6000 years old, & dinosaurs never existed), decide to bypass the UK's elected politicians to force through a no deal Brexit no one voted for, isn't "undemocratic"? So what has Johnson to fear by not proroguing parliament?

"If those regions want sovereignty that is entirely their decision. I notice you didn't mention Wales or England's sovereignty from the UK either. Interesting."

Ireland want their country back, as do Scotland. Where do you stand on this, or is the recovery of one's sovereignty only the preserve of the UK?

In terms of England, sorry I must have missed the calls for independence from the rest of the UK. Seeing as the UK's run from London, I'd imagine that would be like England wanting independence from itself. Actually, didn't Derek Hatton float the idea of Merseyside declaring independence from the rest of England? Perhaps that's what you're talking about.
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Yes, i'm saying there are no sensationalist similarities that you're propogating, here.

No, you said changes to the constitution by using minorities. Leaving the EU is not about migration/race/community for many many people. I cannot take the rest of your comments seriously. It's obvious you don't want a serious discussion on this as you're too close-minded in "Tory-hate" to hold one. And you've ignored my point about Lexit.

Ireland want their country back? Northern Ireland does not belong to Ireland OR the UK. Scotland is not a separate country, it is part of Great Britain, just as Wales and England are. Each nation has a segment of civilians that wish to be independent from the UK union; you must have missed the EVEL, English Parliament discussions. This is true of ALL British members but you chose to only highlight one. As I said, "interesting".
 
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cptaidan88 said:
I would have expected it to have recovered a bit in 5 years time. You're best out of it until then.
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5 years for me will be September next year!

And the recovery will be extremely slow, as we’re about to see a world recession (only worse than the last) which is partly independent of the outcome of Brexit, unfortunately. It’s just that a No Deal Brexit will make things much worse at exactly the wrong time.
 
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