Another new Brexit thread

[kevin horlocks wand]

Clean water.
Something to do with the chemicals used to purify the water that could be delayed at the border and cannot easily be stockpiled.
Don't know how big a risk it is because the Govt are not providing sufficient info on such issues.

I think GDM response was more probably more likely

 

[Len Rum]

I think GDM response was more probably more likely

Wotever.
I gave you the facts. Google them if you want.

 

[Ban-jani]

That you make that offer I am afraid only reinforces that you do not understand the situation.

I have been clear that even with a no-deal prospect you cannot force the other party to make concessions - especially when that party has been 'digging themselves into a hole' from which they now find it hard to move from.

But you simply have to have a viable no-deal contingency and the will and plans to use it even if the other party does not shift - otherwise it is not viable and they know that. It is just basic stuff - and frankly I have little interest in continuing to explain this to you.

Either you do understand but are just being obstinate and twisting things to try and save face - or you genuinely cannot grasp simple and obvious facts

Either way - there are more interesting things going on to spend time on than your unwillingness/incapability to understand Janet and John stuff

You’re very obsessed with Janet and John.

Anyway I sense a degree of back tracking from your “yes the EU have moved since no deal has been properly threatened”.

I perfectly understand thank you, we’ll have to wait and see but my point is up to now it’s not worked.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Herr Flick GIF incoming.

Here's a pic of JRM with his son whom he gets to dress in exactly the same way as him.

 

[Len Rum]

Davidson expected to resign today.
Will be interesting to see if Rudd,Hancock,Gove and Javid follow suit. They all came out strongly against prorogation before yesterday's announcement.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Parliament prorogued? Does prorogue mean 'for rogues'? It's seems an appropriate word but I always had 'em down as skunks!

 

[Saddleworth2]

You’re very obsessed with Janet and John.

Anyway I sense a degree of back tracking from your “yes the EU have moved since no deal has been properly threatened”.

I perfectly understand thank you, we’ll have to wait and see but my point is up to now it’s not worked.

The EU will not move until they believe the U.K. has punched itself out in its internal boxing match. There are a good few rounds left of that yet.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Here's a pic of JRM with his son whom he gets to dress in exactly the same way as him.

“You put your right boot in, you take your right boot out, you do a lot of shouting and you shake your fists about. You light a little smokie and you burn down ze town, zat's vot it's all about.“

 

[Ban-jani]

"Good Remoaning"!

I did Nazi that coming

 

[Saddleworth2]

Here's a pic of JRM with his son whom he gets to dress in exactly the same way as him.

“Helga, we live in dangerous times. We know not what fate has in store. One day the Gestapo may become unpopular”

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

He looked like he had just woken up after drinking a barrel

Oh no here comes GINA

She loves a bit of TV fame

She should wear a cape . she is like a remainer superhero who loves to spend her money to go to courts to have tiny aspects of the UK constitution to be heard in court.

Now I like to spend my money on holidays my family and a bit of golf .
!
Does anyone else like spending their hard earned spare cash on constitutional matters?

There's summat niggling away at me that keeps telling me it might not be her money. Can't think whose it might be, but I bet a pie to a cup of bovril it ain't hers

 

[Saddleworth2]

There's summat niggling away at me that keeps telling me it might not be her money. Can't think whose it might be, but I bet a pie to a cup of bovril it ain't hers

It’s the Russians (again).

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

There's summat niggling away at me that keeps telling me it might not be her money. Can't think whose it might be, but I bet a pie to a cup of bovril it ain't hers

I think you are right.

 

[Vic]

How much of a slimeball is Johnson? Parliament comes back mid-October and he immediately dissolves Parliament to call a GE...

 

[Blue Hefner]

There's summat niggling away at me that keeps telling me it might not be her money. Can't think whose it might be, but I bet a pie to a cup of bovril it ain't hers

I’ll be honest, I’ve never thought about it but having listened to her on 2 podcasts over the past couple of years it does sound like she has been successful throughout her business career and has a few quid

If I was her, regardless of who’s money it may be(I assume you don’t actually have evidence to support your ‘niggle’) I wouldn’t be doing. In part because the internet is full of people making accusations like you have just done but also because of the death threats her and her children receive - all because they want to challenge the government. That sort of thing happens in Zimbabwe and if that’s the way we are heading then, good luck to us all

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

How much of a slimeball is Johnson? Parliament comes back mid-October and he immediately dissolves Parliament to call a GE...

Just one among many!

 

[Blue Hefner]

How much of a slimeball is Johnson? Parliament comes back mid-October and he immediately dissolves Parliament to call a GE...

If we leave with ‘no-deal’ because he didn’t do anything to stop it, he will lose the next election. Queues at ports and empty shelves do not make for a good election campaign, regardless of how many news clips there are of Police searching black kids and destroyers in the channel looking for dinghies ️

 

[cibaman]

I think GDM response was more probably more likely

The water issue was flagged up before the 31 March deadline. It seemed to be a moderately serious issue then.

 

[inbetween]

That would depend if 'remaining' meant an immediate potential loss of jobs, the farming and manufacturing industry going bust more or less overnight, food prices going up, the currency going down and medicine potentially being delayed

If you can propose a Leave outcome which makes us all better off then I'm in. Sign me up, but until then why are we doing it?

The burden on MP's for the last three years has been to deliver the better outcome you are talking about. The biggest example of a good outcome as a remainer like me is EFTA, I would of fully supported that, wouldn't you?

You can't just say there is no alternative, it isn't about finding a better one than what we have because obviously there clearly isn't one. This however is pre-referendum language, we knew all this before the referendum, as a result I voted remain but more people voted to leave.

MP's could of proposed the best case alternatives like EFTA which would of directly prevented no deal, reunited the country AND delivered Brexit. Where have these alternatives been? In fact where has remain been for the ENTIRE debate on alternatives?

Remain hasn't been present at this debate because remain won't debate, remain is only interested in the opposite of what most people voted for. Remain is only interested in the most anti-democratic element which is to refuse debate and accept one option only.

The end result is that a government has to assert itself for the good of the majority or it isn't a government and unfortunately this government has woken up and is using all avenues it has available.

For remain this isn't the death of democracy, it is the slow death of hope. A slow death of hope to rather ironically overturn democracy. I don't like it but I'm a democrat and I'm starting to accept it is the only way we will be able to leave.

 

[Blue Hefner]

The burden on MP's for the last three years has been to deliver the better outcome you are talking about. The biggest example of a good outcome as a remainer like me is EFTA, I would of fully supported that, wouldn't you?

You can't just say there is no alternative, it isn't about finding a better one than what we have because obviously there clearly isn't one. This however is pre-referendum language, we knew all this before the referendum, as a result I voted remain but more people voted to leave.

MP's could of proposed the best case alternatives like EFTA which would of directly prevented no deal, reunited the country AND delivered Brexit. Where have these alternatives been? In fact where has remain been for the ENTIRE debate on alternatives?

Remain hasn't been present at this debate because remain won't debate, remain is only interested in the opposite of what most people voted for. Remain is only interested in the most anti-democratic element which is to refuse debate and accept one option only.

The end result is that a government has to assert itself for the good of the majority or it isn't a government and unfortunately this government has woken up and is using all avenues it has available.

For remain this isn't the death of democracy, it is the slow death of hope. A slow death of hope to rather ironically overturn democracy.

I broadly agree, Remain is off the table as is a 2nd Ref(which I never really fancied anyway). But the trouble is, the MPs pushing for Brexit are not being honest. They are not saying ‘we will be worse off but we have to go through with it, so sign this’ because those that even hint at it get accused of not ‘believing’ enough

The ref result was more or less 50/50 and that is the view the government should have taken and looked at a moderate Brexit to reflect the vote. Instead they went all in with the lunatic fringe which was never going to get Parliamentary support.

The way out is to sprinkle glitter on the only deal on the table and bully that through. Which will be extremely difficult for the Opposition at it is very unusual for an Opposition to wave through a Government policy which leaves the country worse off economically, socially and with a less of a standing on the world stage