Another new Brexit thread

[mancity2012_eamo]

Maybe it was the 'ra? Can we somehow let them know they need to grow up?

Or perhaps the DUP?
The 'Ra and the DUP definitely qualify as loons, but unfortunately both are actually in favour of Brexit.
The DUP see it as undermining the GFA and strengthening the Union.
Inversely the 'Ra (lets just say Sinn Fein) see it as an opportunity for a Border referendum.

So no that doesn't strengthen his argument at all. He must mean someone else.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Complete rubbish.
How can “exit day” be changed?
“Exit day” is defined in primary legislation. Changing it would therefore normally require further primary legislation. However the EU (Withdrawal) Act 2018 specifically contemplated the possibility of an extension being sought and granted, and allows exit day’s definition to be changed in those circumstances by secondary legislation.
Section 20(4) allows a Minister of the Crown to change exit day provided that a draft statutory instrument has been laid before and approved by both the House of Commons and the House of Lords. However, it can only be used:
“to ensure that the day and time specified in the definition are the day and time that the Treaties are to cease to apply to the United Kingdom.”
In practice this means that an extension must first have been agreed to at EU level before any such regulations can be made to change the date. As the Government itself said in a written statement on Friday 15 March:
“It is expected that the EU will use the March European Council on the 21 and 22 March 2019 to consider and reach a decision on a request from the UK to extend the Article 50 period.
As soon as possible following agreement at the EU level we will bring forward the necessary legislation to amend the definition of exit day in domestic legislation. This statutory instrument will be laid, before it is made, under section 20(4) of the EU (Withdrawal) Act 2018.
This legislation is subject to the draft affirmative procedure and so would need to be actively approved in each House. The legislation would give effect to any agreement with the EU on an extension, so would not be laid before Parliament until that agreement had been reached.”
https://commonslibrary.parliament.u...onceptions-about-the-extension-of-article-50/

Simples.

 

[mcfc1632]

The privy council

It will have all have been squared away in advance surely

 

[mcfc1632]

Would attract many businesses especially from the North of England, who'll see free and open access to the EU just up the road.

Hmmmm

What is going to happen with the border?

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Touchy!
Just wondered how impartial the advisers were that's all.
I don't know the full who's who of British politics but I did Google this from Wkipedia;
Thus, the British Privy Council, as a whole, ceased to be a body of important confidential advisers to the sovereign; the role passed to a committee of the Council, now known as the Cabinet.
The cabinet is the prime Minister and his select 22. Surely the privy council advising on whether Boris can pull this stunt or not are not, well, Boris and his mates.
Tell me I have that wrong, please.

Your reference appears to be from around Rees-Mogg's time of the 17th century!

It's senior poltiicians from all major parties, and is quite large really - around 700 I think.

The PC who went to the Queen are on the official paper:

Leader of the Commons
Leader of the Lords
Chief Whip.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Hmmmm

What is going to happen with the border?

Oh no not the border!!!!! We will just have to finish hadrians work for him . Jobs a good un.

 

[George Hannah]

Oh no not the border!!!!! We will just have to finish hadrians work for him . Jobs a good un.

We'll need a really hard one to keep the Billy Boys at bay.

 

[mcfc1632]

Strong rumours that the EU at a meeting next week will withdraw the 31 October deadline and unilaterally offer a further extension.
Interesting Jeff, very interesting.
Could shoot Johnson's 'do or die' fox.

It would just show what most people already know

This is all about keeping the UK either in the EU or - even better - under its control via the backstop

 

[BobKowalski]

Hmmmm

What is going to happen with the border?

Oh a couple of cameras, trusted trader schemes, alternative arrangements. Piece of piss apparently.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

Or perhaps the DUP?
The 'Ra and the DUP definitely qualify as loons, but unfortunately both are actually in favour of Brexit.
The DUP see it as undermining the GFA and strengthening the Union.
Inversely the 'Ra (lets just say Sinn Fein) see it as an opportunity for a Border referendum.

So no that doesn't strengthen his argument at all. He must mean someone else.

Wouldnt want to call the DUP Irish though...unless it was just a basic (common) generalisation?

 

[George Hannah]

It would just show what most people already know

This is all about keeping the UK either in the EU or - even better - under its control via the backstop

Those SNPs want Scotland out of the UK and in the EU but out of the Euro - they want to use Sterling lol

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Your reference appears to be from around Rees-Mogg's time of the 17th century!

It's senior poltiicians from all major parties, and is quite large really - around 700 I think.

The PC who went to the Queen are on the official paper:

Leader of the Commons
Leader of the Lords
Chief Whip.

So that was Rees Mogg, Baroness Evans and Mark Spencer, all appointed by Boris?
It was never in doubt really. Was it?

 

[George Hannah]

Simples.

Vic & Len are sharing the price of a copy from EBay lol

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Those SNPs want Scotland out of the UK and in the EU but out of the Euro - they want to use Sterling lol

He's not for sale.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

So that was Rees Mogg, Baroness Evans and Mark Spencer, all appointed by Boris?
It was never in doubt really. Was it?

No, but it's not really the point of them going. Past events may show that that is an appropriate group to do it.

I suspect their role was to inform the queen that it was legal and the wish of the PM, which it certainly appears to be.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Those SNPs want Scotland out of the UK and in the EU but out of the Euro - they want to use Sterling lol

Yeah minutes of the first meeting.

Eu :so Scotland if you want to join the eu , it will cost you 20 billion a year

SNP :oh hang on we were expecting money from you

Eu, : no sorry it doesn’t work like that

Snp. : But in the uk we have this formula which means we get massively subsidised by the rest of the uk

Eu : well I am afraid we won’t be doing that

Snp : quick get Boris on the phone and send a bunch of flowers around to balmoral,

 

[George Hannah]

Oh a couple of cameras, trusted trader schemes, alternative arrangements. Piece of piss apparently.

with goodwill and a phased introduction - assuredly the case.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

No, but it's not really the point of them going. Past events may show that that is an appropriate group to do it.

I suspect their role was to inform the queen that it was legal and the wish of the PM, which it certainly appears to be.

Agree, but my point is aimed at those who thought the Queen was ever going to say differently.

 

[mcfc1632]

I would say it's more than pretty doubtful, I go regularly, and the amount of businesses and services that rely on
expats, EU, and British, are very high. I've not read all through the latest thread that mentioned this, but I'm assuming
that it's some sort of scaremongering?
https://www.imtj.com/articles/agreement-reached-reciprocal-healthcare-british-and-eu-retirees/

So that's the health bit sorted, what are the other things the Spanish are plotting?

Oh - it was just that

The Spanish government are considering denying ex pats access to their health service

Blatant scare mongering imo - but saying so causes righteous indignation it seems

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Agree, but my point is aimed at those who thought the Queen was ever going to say differently.

Ok. If assured that it was legal, there was exactly nil chance of her not acceding.

I imagine the conversation was "are you sure? Is this legal? Johnson not here in person? Okay, now get out of my house"