Another new Brexit thread

[aguero93:20]

We are at crossed purposes and I didn't use the word lunatics. But these lunatics as you state only exist with support. That support in a lot of cases comes from the past. This is what I mean by some people in Ireland and the rest of the UK in fairness need to grow up.

Unless we decide now in 2019 how we wish to shape the future nothing positive can happen in my view. I think in terms of Ireland and specifically northern Ireland discussions need to focus on the bigger picture rather than this hopeless attempt at trying to appease everyone. Don't let people use brexit as a political tool.

Decisions need to be taken as to what you want. This will obviously mean looking at what where you/they wish to belong. You needn't be British. Irish European you can be whatever you/they want. Don't let a piddling border get in the way. Don't treat the gfa as some sort of shrine like the yanks do with their constitution . If it benefits the population to amend it in different times so what? As long as the reasons are good.

Nationality is way over rated. If the majority want to go down the eu route fucking off the UK may be the best option. It may not but don't let an agreement or a border be a hindrance.

To me devolved govts in the UK are a mistake. As are national parliaments in the eu and the ability to pick and choose your own status.

In northern Ireland they could be independent. Irish.british or European. Trying to be all 4 is always going to be troublesome at some point.

The lunatics were dying on their arses and had zero support until some fucking muppets thought it would be a good idea to create a situation where a hard partition border was a possible reality again. Well done.

 

[aguero93:20]

The British in Spain are immigrants. And let’s see if we can think of a reason why a political party may wish to drum up resentment towards say non EU immigrants? Political influence and power perhaps? Seems to have worked out ok for Farage. And the Brexit Party. And the Tory Party.

I mean it’s not as if Spain has a history of fascism or a far right party or a long running territorial dispute with Britain to whip up some trouble over.

All it will take is a Franco inspired candidate throwing out propaganda about how easy it is for Indians and Pakistanis to get UK passports ans move to Spain to rip off their social welfare and health systems...

 

[FlemishDuck]

All it will take is a Franco inspired candidate throwing out propaganda about how easy it is for Indians and Pakistanis to get UK passports ans move to Spain to rip off their social welfare and health systems...

Speaking of Spain, being tough on sepperatist factions among Catalunians and basque's seems to have worked aswell as to get authoritarian leaders activated. I just wonder, if Bojo is so keen to exploit legallity and "British political convention" beyond the spirit of it by proroguing parliament at this moment, then what would his legalist inspired answer be if the Scots were trying to take steps to leave the Union?

No-Deal is also double-edged, which is clever and - for people like me that hate the idea of an unfettered backstop - quite scary

I doubt the EU is going to give in much NOW and under the current circumstances, the UK is in a far worse position with the clock ticking eitherway besides many other factors imho. My impression is that the EU is not unwilling to offer Bojo a "symbolic yet meaningless gesture that allows to save some face" and thats about it because opportune enough. The problem essentially for Bojo is that his negotiation position hasn't improved with a threat of no deal, he basicly has no extra leverage whatsoever and so more likely he's out with a no deal anyway and besides he must also plan for that potential no deal eventuallity anyway which goverment seems to be doing to some reported degree.

 

[blueinsa]

All these issues will of course have to be negotiated post no deal Brexit.
No agreements are yet in place.
U think everything will be fine, that's ok but please stop pretending by bluster that everything is sorted through agreement or legislation.

My opinion counters the often sheer doom and gloom seen from some on here who forgive me for saying this often seem to want some sort of doomsday scenario to befall us so they can say told you so?

No agreements are yet in place in spot on so maybe thats the starting position for all posts rather than "no food, no medicines, no healthcare, no planes flying".

It simply isn't the case right now and it simply isn't true is it?

For every "well it might be" that will come, the same can apply to opinions that "it will be fine and deals will be done".

Balance Len, balance.

 

[blueinsa]

The future? 2 months.... and we don't even know if our EHIC cards would mean anything after 31st October. Or how supply chains will work.... etc etc

I thought you knew everything Vic.......?

Kind of made my point for me though so thanks.

 

[FlemishDuck]

My opinion counters the often sheer doom and gloom seen from some on here who forgive me for saying this often seem to want some sort of doomsday scenario to befall us so they can say told you so?

Well i mean as a Belgian i certaintly revel in the opportunity to redicule such a difficult and irregular pollitical process that was first anounced with youre typical British bravado and overconfidence. :p

Brexit is withought a doubt worlds most prolific soap series atm.

 

[blueinsa]

really gonna pmsl when it goes tits up - let me have your address so I can come round and point and laugh. I'll give you a lift to the Job Centre when your job goes if you want.

So you keep saying..........

Typical of the "please be shit so i can shout how right i was all along" attitude.

Keep posting your links lol.

 

[blueinsa]

Quite a legacy for Cameron and the Tories.

And Corbyn and Labour.

They didn't have to vote for the EU ref, they didn't have to vote for the question we got asked and they didn't have to ever promise to respect the result.

They did all three.

Great post on here from kazzydeyna the other day in which he very eloquently says that what pisses him off the most is the way his own Labour party supporters, those on the left that claim to be like him have tried to make this a Tory thing.

Its wrong and it does your arguments literally no favour.

You keep saying it Ric, you keep refusing to see how the country actually voted and the sheer support for brexit from many traditional Labour voters and no, we are all not right wing extremist Tories no matter how many times you get told you are on here ;-)

 

[blueinsa]

The lunatics were dying on their arses and had zero support until some fucking muppets thought it would be a good idea to create a situation where a hard partition border was a possible reality again. Well done.

Seems they have support and seems they have arms and it seems they are still hell bent on murder even with an open border as it is now.

Fucking state of the twats!

 

[blueinsa]

Well i mean as a Belgian i certaintly revel in the opportunity to redicule such a difficult and irregular pollitical process that was first anounced with youre typical British bravado and overconfidence. :p

Brexit is withought a doubt worlds most prolific soap series atm.

Redicule away lol

 

[FlemishDuck]

Redicule away lol

Thanks. Mind you, i do not wish it upon Brits that things go bad for them by default, but by average youre a proud and in this overconfident enough people besides not being unexperienced in teasing continentals or foreigners, so under the circumstances it's completly deserving from the POV across the pond as far as i see it. I mean, it's not like youre average not so politicly inclined Belgian knows that much about Brexit to really make such a good judgement, but on average people think Britain is continuing to make a absolute joke of itself though granted the motivations for people like Bojo (just like Trump) might be more sinister than people imagine.

 

[blueinsa]

Thanks. Mind you, i do not wish it upon Brits that things go bad for them by default, but by average youre a proud and in this overconfident enough people besides not being unexperienced in teasing continentals or foreigners, so under the circumstances it's completly deserving from the POV across the pond as far as i see it. I mean, it's not like youre average not so politicly inclined Belgian knows that much about Brexit to really make such a good judgement, but on average people think Britain is continuing to make a absolute joke of itself though granted the motivations for people like Bojo (just like Trump) might be more sinister than people imagine.

Finally an argument of substance, sadly missing for 3 years on here.

I am now a remainer.

 

[FlemishDuck]

Finally an argument of substance, sadly missing for 3 years on here. I am now a remainer.

Actually i wasn't make an argument, i was conveying a sentiment. I also convey that youre apparent sarcasm looks like a pretty sorry. :p

 

[Ancient Citizen]

The British in Spain are immigrants. And let’s see if we can think of a reason why a political party may wish to drum up resentment towards say non EU immigrants? Political influence and power perhaps? Seems to have worked out ok for Farage. And the Brexit Party. And the Tory Party.

I mean it’s not as if Spain has a history of fascism or a far right party or a long running territorial dispute with Britain to whip up some trouble over.

What a ludicrous argument, for a start, you don't appear to understand the contribution made by ex pats,
thousands of businesses in Spain, and an awful lot of people, are employed because of it, these people don't claim
benefits, and have been there donkey's years. We've had reciprocal health agreements with Spain prior to the EU,
making wild assumptions about future governments turning on settlers makes no sense, for them, or their citizens here.
Using this logic, Brits in Germany must be shitting themselves another Hitler may come along.
Scaremongering bollox like this didn't work last time it was attempted, it won't now.

 

[Saddleworth2]

Finally an argument of substance, sadly missing for 3 years on here.

I am now a remainer.

Do Belgians do sarcasm I wonder.

 

[blueinsa]

Do Belgians do sarcasm I wonder.

They do waffle ;-)

 

[Vic]

I thought you knew everything Vic.......?

Kind of made my point for me though so thanks.

The difference is you seem careless about it:
"Should we wait for all of that to come to pass or shall we play your game of you posing hypothetical questions that simply dont have answers as of yet?"

Asking if EHIC works after 31st October is not a hypothetical question. It was asked before the referendum and the Leave campaign of course said the idea that it wouldn't work was scaremongering - because other countries outside the EEA had A DEAL.

 

[hilts]

The lunatics were dying on their arses and had zero support until some fucking muppets thought it would be a good idea to create a situation where a hard partition border was a possible reality again. Well done.

Which Muppets are you specifically referring to?

 

[Rascal]

Well i mean as a Belgian i certaintly revel in the opportunity to redicule such a difficult and irregular pollitical process that was first anounced with youre typical British bravado and overconfidence. :p

Brexit is withought a doubt worlds most prolific soap series atm.

English exceptionalism is alive and well Mr Duck. We have long had an attitude of do what we say not what we do, an arrogance based on the fact we happened to have a forest of Oak Trees that made good ships.

For a small island off the North Western coast of a continent we sure have a big mouth and incredibly well established sense of superiority. Did you know we won the World Cup once upon a time and invented condescension.

 

[blueinsa]

English exceptionalism is alive and well Mr Duck. We have long had an attitude of do what we say not what we do, an arrogance based on the fact we happened to have a forest of Oak Trees that made good ships.

For a small island off the North Western coast of a continent we sure have a big mouth and incredibly well established sense of superiority. Did you know we won the World Cup once upon a time and invented condescension.

Fucking lol