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KS55 said:
"We are leaving on 31st Oct. No ifs, no buts" He just can't back out now, if he survives as PM.
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I don't think he will in this Parliament, events will overtake his promises and he hopes to return for 5 years of uninterrupted power after a snap election. If that happens I think we'll see a very different route out of the EU.
 
George Hannah said:
Take it up with Adam Boulton then - he said it was. Check for yourself - I repeat why do you think it is invented?
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Got Sky News on the big screens, don't need you to post a link to it. The Adam Boulton link would've been more relevant.

Although I have seen the clip you're referring to, which isn't Verhofstadt, but two blokes joking around.

I'd watch the whole documentary if you want to get a more rounded view. Spoiler, we don't come across as the most effective negotiators in the world.
 
KS55 said:
"We are leaving on 31st Oct. No ifs, no buts" He just can't back out now, if he survives as PM.
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A lot of people saying differently on here, but to me this is looking increasingly more likely.

People on both sides in here still so absolutely sure of themselves and applying their own versions of strategy, to the mess that the parliament and the Tories in particular have created. Everything up to now has been stumbled into. Retro fitting strategy to make yourselves look clever is, well not very clever.
Forget strategy. Whatever the thinking behind the current lot. It seems to me to nothing more than a final punt, putting all you have on a long shot and hoping for the best.
Top Prize? PM. That goes for whatever Corbyn's strategy is too, if he has one.

I think you'll run out of time to do anything that will get through parliament and you'll fall out whether that was the intention or not.
Am I sure of this? Absolutely not. Who could second guess what sort of crap you could still come up with.

The Irish Government have agreed to put the border around the complete British Isles and effectively we will rejoin the UK.

Ok that bit is just a downright lie, but you seem to like being lied to.
 
joe123 said:
Got Sky News on the big screens, don't need you to post a link to it. The Adam Boulton link would've been more relevant.
lthough I have seen the clip you're referring to, which isn't Verhofstadt, but two blokes joking around.I'd watch the whole documentary if you want to get a more rounded view. Spoiler, we don't come across as the most effective negotiators in the world.
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I was trying to help with the link, I have watched the documentary and I didn't say it was Verhofstadt. Why do you think it was made up again and why were they just joking if it wasn't - what's your point friend?
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
Thought it was gone but was really impressed with the resilience playing a man down for 42 minutes.
Could have won it at the end.
14 v 14 would have been fairer.
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2 more penalties for Kerry would have been fairer as well, but a draw was a fair enough result and looking forward to the replay.
 
mcfc1632 said:
We know a number of the reasons why parliament has been prorogued - none of them are related to/impacted by the prospect of a revised deal being brought before parliament - you are, IMO, just displaying again your frustrations at anything that could be positive towards a Brexit outcome that improves the position for the UK

Re negotiations - the process is clearly one in which the two negotiating groups seek agreement which they then take back to their governance functions for consideration - so no need for parliament to be sitting at the moment because....

The UK's representatives have signalled that they would be willing to resume negotiations based on a deal structure that sensibly removes the unfettered backstop - the rules should see the EU come back and engage but instead they just make public statements that they are not going to. The (real) reason cannot be due to them clinging to the May WA - because that deal has no standing having been rejected 3 times. The (genuine) real reason is that, before they recommence negotiations with the UK, they will wish to wait and see if their acolytes can be successful in undermining either/or both the UK's decision to leave the EU or hamstring the UK's negotiating team's positions through the removal of the no-deal option.

Should (I think that it is unlikely) the UK government get through this next week without the 'rebel alliance' being successful and then the EU find themselves genuinely facing the prospect of the UK leaving with no-deal at the end of October we will then see if the EU are indeed willing to compromise. If they are then there is time for a revised deal to be negotiated and - if acceptable - presented to parliament in good time - the shortness of time will be helpful in focussing minds.

It has been true for years that we will not see the movement from the EU unless and until they face the prospect of a viable no-deal option and the political will to use it - it will be good to have the opportunity to see what happens
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How are you going to pass a deal without parliament?
 
mcfc1632 said:
As set out in my previous response - you are either not understanding the process - or just having a cheap shot without any substance
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Seriously, only parliament can pass a deal, how does he pass one? He's just left parliament with no other workable options in timescale bar no deal or an extension by a caretaker government. There's no time to get a deal passed after prorogueation, there's simply far too much secondary legislation involved that would need to pass both Commons and Lords.
 
aguero93:20 said:
How are you going to pass a deal without parliament?
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aguero93:20 said:
Seriously, only parliament can pass a deal, how does he pass one? He's just left parliament with no other workable options in timescale bar no deal or an extension by a caretaker government. There's no time to get a deal passed after prorogueation, there's simply far too much secondary legislation involved that would need to pass both Commons and Lords.
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Difficult conundrum but we can say with certainty that there is no 'ue' in prorogation.
 
I've been away for a few days so have missed the Government's latest propaganda campaign. "Get Ready For Brexit" - 100 million pounds! Think about that. Is it all worth it, really?
 
joe123 said:
Got Sky News on the big screens, don't need you to post a link to it. The Adam Boulton link would've been more relevant.

Although I have seen the clip you're referring to, which isn't Verhofstadt, but two blokes joking around.

I'd watch the whole documentary if you want to get a more rounded view. Spoiler, we don't come across as the most effective negotiators in the world.
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Fake news eh?
 
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