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Kazzydeyna said:
Look at the tax rates for the wealthiest in European society 20 years ago, then 10 years ago, then today and you will see a trend.
You'll see a similar trend but in reverse for the social safety net of the poorest in society during the same timeframe .
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Well in 1999 the top rate of tax was 40%

In 2009 the top rate of tax was 40%

And today it is 45%

Some "cuts".
 
Blumers Bloomers said:
What I like is the recognition every other issue has been neglected since Brexit has been on the agenda

20,000 new police officers can only be a good thing. Investment in NHS and education. World continues to spin whilst we get Brexit over the line.
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I agree - it means we are only 3,000 Police officers short of where we were in 2010 when he finally gets them on stream ( overlooks the lack of sufficient training places and trainers though ) - all the rest is making up some ( not all ) of the financial neglect since 2010. And don't forget they need to keep some money in reserve to pay James Dyson when the EU stop paying him.
All of what he just said in Downing St. overlooks the EU are waiting for HIM to wheel out his proposals at the summit - which he hasn't got. There is no sign of great progress being made - his chief negotiator has only spoken to the EU 3 times in 6 weeks. The EU calculate that the pain they will feel is far less than that which the UK will feel as a result of Brexit and doubtless calculate that EU citizens that have any post Brexit ill effects will be bouyed up by negative news from the UK
 
mcfc1632 said:
Genuinely - and no insult meant - you seem to be confusing things/yourself

1. May's deal has no standing - it has been rejected 3 times and will never get passed. That it is an entirely shocking deal and does massive harm to the UK for decades to come

You speak as if that is something in the bag for EU already - it is not and never will be

2. No deal is bad all round and will tip a number EU countries - that Barnier is supposed to be representing - into recession.

Therefore

3. A WA - still massively in the EU's favour - without the unfettered backstop seems attractive to everyone

The rest is just positioning and negotiations - of and from the UK side shit politicking
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I wonder if you are right.
The WA is still the only thing that the negotiators have been able to agree on. There is not a lot of evidence they will ever agree on anything else.

The WA is "dead" because the statutes of parliament say that the same bill cannot be brought before Parlaiment more than three times in the same "sitting". If Johnson calls an election then that count is reset and it could be back on the floor in the second half of October.

I don't think the WA is massively in the EU's favour. The people who will benefit most are the Irish obviously, but for well over half of rest of the EU it's neither here nor there. And let's not forget, the UK is getting a good deal out of the WA - much better than no deal ;)

What the UK should be doing, and should have been doing from the start is defining exact, measureable criteria that define when the backstop can be removed/revoked - and then working unswervingly towards meeting those criteria.
 
Kazzydeyna said:
Yes I do. Absolutely.

Never underestimate the machinations of a liar and a cheat.

This ticks all the right wing boxes. We can tell the ugly northern proles that their silly idea of national independence just wasn't possible. The unlimited supply of (white, don't forget it's almost exclusively white) cheap, easily replaceable labour can carry on undermining collective bargaining and driving down wages for working people, making them much more easily controllable.

The 5th biggest economy in the world can continue to be a colony of the bankers and the mega corporations.

Taxes can continue to be lowered for the richest in society whilst the poorest have their safety nets obliterated year on year, because you'll never have a socialist govt in the EU.

And the best bit? Those thick northern racists have been talked down to, and lectured to, for so long and so consistently that many of them actually believe the EU is acting in their interests against the evil Tories (who lets not forget have always been the architects of each new tranch of legislation taking power away from Westminster).

Tony benn, Peter shore, and a hundred other socialists are currently spinning in their graves.

But what do I know? I'm a thick northern racist.
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Well, you voted for Brexit. Hate to say I told you so...
 
George Hannah said:
The relevant links were in the original post - the bits in blue - and the Sky News link was posted separately which showed footage of Verhofstadt and his underlings immediately followed by a direct quote from the book as follows -"we managed it, after 2 years we kicked them out on our terms and conditions - we finally turned them into a colony - our plan from the start." Boulton then observes - "so the wicked Europeans were trying to do us in all along ....a punishment deal?" - "Quite true, just a lighthearted but accurate description of what happened" was the reply from Lode Desmet, whose book is based on his recorded material, some of which appeared in the BBC 4 documentary.
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Still no link P. Shocking.
 
Chippy_boy said:
Well in 1999 the top rate of tax was 40%

In 2009 the top rate of tax was 40%

And today it is 45%

Some "cuts".
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I stand corrected mate .You're quite correct. The last few years have all been about soaking the rich. I guess we had to because the taxes they were asked to pay 20-30 years ago were so light in comparison.

It was a miracle that we used to offer free prescriptions, free spectacles, free dental care, free university, subsidised social housing, AND pay average working people enough money to allow them to buy a house, run a car, and have a holiday every summer until the mid 70's. Then we joined the EEC. Where did it all go wrong?
 
George Hannah said:
Oh dear, inebriate in the afternoon - most unbecoming.
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It's the correct spelling, look it up. It implies parliament has gone rogue, unfortunately for you it's your PM that's done so and you can deal with the consequences. Taking back control remember?
 
George Hannah said:
You'd think they could work out a way for the PM to address the nation without a baying mob in the background drowning him out.
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Whilst I am quite pro Johnson being booed I was surprised his team didn’t ensure he made his pointless announcement in a ‘boo free’ zone. Still I’m sure his team of 5 dimensional chess wizards have everything under control *struggles to keep straight face*
 
George Hannah said:
The relevant links were in the original post - the bits in blue - and the Sky News link was posted separately which showed footage of Verhofstadt and his underlings immediately followed by a direct quote from the book as follows -"we managed it, after 2 years we kicked them out on our terms and conditions - we finally turned them into a colony - our plan from the start." Boulton then observes - "so the wicked Europeans were trying to do us in all along ....a punishment deal?" - "Quite true, just a lighthearted but accurate description of what happened" was the reply from Lode Desmet, whose book is based on his recorded material, some of which appeared in the BBC 4 documentary.

Oh dear, inebriate in the afternoon - most unbecoming.
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Still haven't seen the link.
 
I don’t want to leave with no deal but really what does another extension actually achieve ?

All that happens is nothing until Xmas and then all this nonsense again for the last month , we won’t get there and then what another extension.

People can say they don’t want no deal but is it they want. I know what the Lib Dem’s want but what do the Tory rebels and labour want,

To leave with a deal they say, but how do we get that deal what is it in a deal they specifically want and never mind this that the eu will actually give us.

What actually is the plan with an extension and how does it actually change anything?
 
Kazzydeyna said:
I stand corrected mate .You're quite correct. The last few years have all been about soaking the rich. I guess we had to because the taxes they were asked to pay 20-30 years ago were so light in comparison.

It was a miracle that we used to offer free prescriptions, free spectacles, free dental care, free university, subsidised social housing, AND pay average working people enough money to allow them to buy a house, run a car, and have a holiday every summer until the mid 70's. Then we joined the EEC. Where did it all go wrong?
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Good try. 4/10.

Next time you want to tell us all about the continuation of the tax cuts over the past 20 years, do an atom of research first eh.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Bottled it. He had the look of a man who's cabinet colleagues had just failed to back him for another election ( they have duck houses to build and stables to heat after all ) - can't see Amber Rudd with her slender majority chomping at the bit for a GE.
So a plea to the likes of Gauke, Clarke etc ( many of whom are standing down next GE anyway ) not to do the dirty on him. Cummings is leading him up a blind alley.
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There's a few ministers with not very big majority's.
And the cűnt at the tops own constituency could quite easily fuck him off, 17% swing to labour last time round, 15'000 majority down to 5'000. And Polls have it as a remain seat now.
Now that would be pissfunny if he was booted out.
 
aguero93:20 said:
Well, you voted for Brexit. Hate to say I told you so...
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I voted for brexit because, amongst other reasons, the EU is a white supremacists wet dream, you only have to look at its white is right immigration policy and watch the 1000's of drowned Africans on the shores of the Mediterranean to see that.

I voted fully in the knowledge that the right of politics in this country would conspire against my vote .

Where I was mistaken is that I believed (laughable now really I admit) that Corbyn would rally the left behind the millions of people like I that wanted to rid ourselves of this millionaires racist glee club .

I didn't legislate for Corbyn being just another full time right wing lying bastard.
Don't get me wrong, this denial of democracy sits foursquare at the door of the Tory party of course, but they have been ably aided and abetted by Corbyn and his liberal, middle class, doing-very-nicely-out-of-the-status-quo-thank-you-very-much cabal of liars,cheats, and hypocrites .

Put it this way, if brexit is denied Waitrose will run out of champagne and smoked salmon in minutes. There won't be a lot of celebrating in Clayton, or Beswick or many other poorer areas .
 
Kazzydeyna said:
I voted for brexit because, amongst other reasons, the EU is a white supremacists wet dream, you only have to look at its white is right immigration policy and watch the 1000's of drowned Africans on the shores of the Mediterranean to see that.

I voted fully in the knowledge that the right of politics in this country would conspire against my vote .

Where I was mistaken is that I believed (laughable now really I admit) that Corbyn would rally the left behind the millions of people like I that wanted to rid ourselves of this millionaires racist glee club .

I didn't legislate for Corbyn being just another full time right wing lying bastard.
Don't get me wrong, this denial of democracy sits foursquare at the door of the Tory party of course, but they have been ably aided and abetted by Corbyn and his liberal, middle class, doing-very-nicely-out-of-the-status-quo-thank-you-very-much cabal of liars,cheats, and hypocrites .

Put it this way, if brexit is denied Waitrose will run out of champagne and smoked salmon in minutes. There won't be a lot of celebrating in Clayton, or Beswick or many other poorer areas .
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Do you honestly think that Brexit would impact more on the rich than the poor?
 
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