Var debate 2019/20

ctid1894 said:
Exactly mate, the Newcastle one is clear as day. It’s not intentional at all as it comes off the defenders head on to his arm, however it then falls directly to the Newcastle player to score. Dermot tried claiming it wasn’t visible in real-time and from the camera angles VAR saw and that they weren’t “looking for handball”, absolute bollocks. Laporte’s wasn’t visible in real-time and I’ve still not seen conclusive proof it even hit Laporte’s arm/hand.

It’s as clear proof as anyone could ever wish to see of corruption in the game.
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That's true as well; I still haven't actually seen a clear decisive shot of the ball hitting Laporte's arm, I've just assumed it did as it looks like it must have & they said it did.

But in cricket for example, without the actual conclusive shot, they wouldn't overturn the original decision.

Add to that the fact it didn't actually 'control' the ball, go to a City player or lead to a direct scoring opportunity anyhow.

It's a fucking stitch up & we've been docked two points.
 
Neville Kneville said:
That's true as well; I still haven't actually seen a clear decisive shot of the ball hitting Laporte's arm, I've just assumed it did as it looks like it must have & they said it did.

But in cricket for example, without the actual conclusive shot, they wouldn't overturn the original decision.

Add to that the fact it didn't actually 'control' the ball, go to a City player or lead to a direct scoring opportunity anyhow.

It's a fucking stitch up & we've been docked two points.
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Come on, guys, they've got to give the Dippers a bit of daylight! They're gonna go through the season with ne'er a blip now! Season's over!
 
VAR is similar to FFP in that both started out with good intentions but then became a tool of corruption.

The problem with both is that in justifying their use in handicapping City, a monster totally outside their control, the authorities now have to proceed with the charade, pretending that the rules are evenly applied and it has become obvious to most observers that they aren't.

The net result is that new rules have to be introduced to amend practices that have evolved over 100 years. So City can't invest as others have, so a ball that "hits" a City player's arm unintentionally can be used as an excuse to deduct points. The authorities than tie themselves in knots amending rules, fiddling with rules, departing from rules and generally performing contortions to justify themselves.

In the end, it's about the money. And the one constant in this is that Liverpool will continue to get dubious penalties and offside goals and neither they nor Manchester United will ever, in a million years, have a goal disallowed like we did.
 
This may have already have been asked but does each ground have the same number of camera angles for the var official to look at? I.e Bournemouth compared to us at the Etihad.
 
Newman Noggs said:
VAR is similar to FFP in that both started out with good intentions but then became a tool of corruption.

The problem with both is that in justifying their use in handicapping City, a monster totally outside their control, the authorities now have to proceed with the charade, pretending that the rules are evenly applied and it has become obvious to most observers that they aren't.

The net result is that new rules have to be introduced to amend practices that have evolved over 100 years. So City can't invest as others have, so a ball that "hits" a City player's arm unintentionally can be used as an excuse to deduct points. The authorities than tie themselves in knots amending rules, fiddling with rules, departing from rules and generally performing contortions to justify themselves.

In the end, it's about the money. And the one constant in this is that Liverpool will continue to get dubious penalties and offside goals and neither they nor Manchester United will ever, in a million years, have a goal disallowed like we did.
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They'll get marginal, inconclusive pens not given, like Martial last week, but I imagine you are right & we won't see that handball rule applied against either club, unless they grab the ball with both hands & throw it.

If you look at all the instances of penalty claims ignored by v.a.r. so far & then look at the one Salah got from the ref, for the shirt pull, it is by far the lesser 'foul' of any.

Been interesting to see if v.a.r. would have stepped in, had the ref not given it & the reaction afterwards, if it hadn't & Liverpool drew the game.
 
joenorth said:
This may have already have been asked but does each ground have the same number of camera angles for the var official to look at? I.e Bournemouth compared to us at the Etihad.
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It would be no surprise if they didn't but it would appear to not matter anyhow, as they pick & choose how much they actually fucking bother to look at the ones they do have.
 
The only way we can make VAR work is to hear and view what's being reviewed. Just like in Rugby Union. That way you know exactly how each decision is being arrived at.

This isn't going to happen though because of the appalling standard of our referees. The last thing they want to do is let us hear how incompetent they are, it's bad enough just viewing them.
 
I still say if we’re going to use VAR it should be 3 challenges for each captain (maybe even 2) win or lose and that’s it.
It’s fucking ridiculous as it is right now.
 
Mancini Manus Domini said:
The only way we can make VAR work is to hear and view what's being reviewed. Just like in Rugby Union. That way you know exactly how each decision is being arrived at.

This isn't going to happen though because of the appalling standard of our referees. The last thing they want to do is let us hear how incompetent they are, it's bad enough just viewing them.
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Exactly. I watched the video clip on here on the verbal interchanges between that Aussie ref and the VAR and then the communication to players, showing how it can be done in football although it didn't show anything replayed on the big screen.

I thought he was excellent but I could not imagine any of our refs being remotely good as either him or the VAR and we know PiGMOL do not like the incompetence of their members to be shown.
 
@asahartford1
The problem with being a smart arse is that you need the intellect to back it up. Unfortunately for you it’s clear you don’t.
At no point since did he mention Laporte or City in the post you quoted. You try to be clever and say it was from an earlier post in a conversation. That is a lie, at no time in your conversation with the other poster did he mention City/Laporte.
You tried to demean his argument by linking it to something he didn’t mention.
You are stupid, stupid, stupid and a liar as well.
You are now on ignore so I don’t have to read your puerile mutterings.
 
Fabled mabel said:
Exactly. I watched the video clip on here on the verbal interchanges between that Aussie ref and the VAR and then the communication to players, showing how it can be done in football although it didn't show anything replayed on the big screen.

I thought he was excellent but I could not imagine any of our refs being remotely good as either him or the VAR and we know PiGMOL do not like the incompetence of their members to be shown.
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It would be helpful to those who paid their subs to watch a supposedly fair game to hear how they arrive at decisions that influence the results of games. Needing an ex ref to give his opinion would then be unnecessary.

As this openness is unlikely to happen I suspect that our owners may be using ultra modern technology to overhear and record said conversations for City games, just in case.
 
TravisBickle said:
I still say if we’re going to use VAR it should be 3 challenges for each captain (maybe even 2) win or lose and that’s it.
It’s fucking ridiculous as it is right now.
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This all day long and again the next day...been saying this from the beginning...cant believe that the clowns havent come up with this.

Its such an easy suggestion, and it would eradicate the blatant bad decisions which is what we were aiming for not the milimetre laser gun offside debates. It would take away the "out" for the refs as they would never know when the challenges are coming so theyd have to do their effing job. You should get shot of the stinking decisions very quickly. Give them 10 secs for a captain to call a challenge (enough time to check with manager if he wants) otherwise bad luck. Might be able to celebrate a goal or two then
 
SilverFox2 said:
It would be helpful to those who paid their subs to watch a supposedly fair game to hear how they arrive at decisions that influence the results of games. Needing an ex ref to give his opinion would then be unnecessary.

As this openness is unlikely to happen I suspect that our owners may be using ultra modern technology to overhear and record said conversations for City games, just in case.
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I am sure it is possible technologically. In fact I(* know it is.
 
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