Another new Brexit thread

[Metal Biker]

You have missed the point here.

You want a Lexit - I'm pointing out it is obvious that is never going to be the outcome. - Do you agree?

In voting for and supporting brexit as you have done you will only ever get a hard/alt right brexit. You are part or the driving force behind this outcome. One you claim to not want! - Do you get it?

Have you not paid any attention to mine and a few others posts on here for the past few months?

We're done. End it one way or another, stay in, leave with or without a deal, we don't care anymore. The only ones carrying on the charade (or care) are you. I wanted to rejoin the EFTA, I wanted a Lexit. Hasn't happened, so i'm done. I'm not supporting remaining, and don't support us being in the EU, that doesn't mean I now support a Tory brexit either. As we've said, we no longer care what happens.

 

[Dribble]

Clearly you have no idea about Lexit or the left-wing arguments about the EU.
"Guilt by association" is a total cunts trick, especially when those opinions ave never been voiced by me and you're asking me to "explain" them. You can take your Nazi obsessed "theories" and shove em.

Go on then Comrade, let's hear a left wing argument for Brexit.

 

[1.618034]

Because revoking won't solve anything, it has gone past that. The EU wouldn't trust us, the 'if only' brigade will be out in force and the Leave campaign would start immediately

Which is their right. Let's see if they can win a majority in parliament and get it through.

Come up with a plan, put it to parliament, put it to the people.

This is what should've happened in the first place!

Can we just stop all the nazi / 30's Germany bollocks please. Not only is it a poor comparison, but it's insulting to not only those you wish to insult but the memories of those killed by actual nazis. It's also just boring and adds little.

Free speech, innit.

 

[Len Rum]

I doubt that I have before seen do many points missed in a short post

Cannot summon the effort to respond on my phone TBH

I'll put it simply mate
No Deal we are told will be no problem, 'just a few bumps in the road' according to the Govester.
Why then bother using the threat of it as a negotiating lever.
Why not just err.....leave?

 

[Manc in London]

Go on then Comrade, let's hear a left wing argument for Brexit.

To be fair, the left wing is a broad church. You can be remain and left wing, and someone can be Brexit and left wing.

 

[lust overlord]

Go on then Comrade, let's hear a left wing argument for Brexit.

There are plenty,most of which involve doing a deal with the e.u.

Trouble is there was a tory government when the referendum came along.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Have you not paid any attention to mine and a few others posts on here for the past few months?

We're done. End it one way or another, stay in, leave with or without a deal, we don't care anymore. The only ones carrying on the charade (or care) are you. I wanted to rejoin the EFTA, I wanted a Lexit. Hasn't happened, so i'm done. I'm not supporting remaining, and don't support us being in the EU, that doesn't mean I now support a Tory brexit either. As we've said, we no longer care what happens.

Laughable response. You accept lexit is a dead duck but you haven't abandoned brexit. You are a right wing / tory brexit enabler. You intend to vote for the BXP - there politics are far right and you know it. Yet you cant help yourself - you are backing them. Your position is a joke.

 

[1.618034]

RTE:

EU member states have been told by the European Commission Task Force that the UK under Boris Johnson is rengeging on its commitments to protect the all-Ireland economy and meaningful North-South cooperation, as enshinred in the Joint Report of December 2017.

Independent:

EU source about the way the UK government is presenting negotiations back at home: "They are just lying now about the talks"

Wow.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I'm sorry, but all I've done is provide you a mirror in which to look at yourself with. This has all the hallmarks of what the Nazis did to come to power. I'm not suggesting you're going to round up & murder the UK's population or Rags or owt, but my point stands, & the comparisons to what the Nazis did in the 1930s, and what Trump has done/is doing bears worrying similarities to the far right's approach to Brexit.

The far rights approach to everything probably bears comparison to Hitler. Your mistake is equating everyone who thinks leaving the EU is a nice idea to the far right. You are mistaken and frankly confused. No shame in that - it's a complex issue.

 

[mcfc1632]

Forget the slogans, the reality is that May and Johnson committed the government to Brexit which is the only democratic course. The EU haven't negotiated anything, they just wanted their divorce settlement and an interminable period of transition with us under their rules to prepare themselves from a delayed no deal exit. That is the deal that is on the table - not a Brexit deal, a postponed no deal and Johnson knows it won't change. All the red lines etc are a fiction, just decoration to promote the illusion of dialogue, which is designed to sustain the HoC remain majority while they try to work out a way to kill Brexit from within, which is the EU's preferred outcome.

Bravo


This is exactly the truth of the EU position you

The backstop will he kept in place until the EU have fully prepared and neutered the uk

What is this bollocks of - remove no-deal and put the 'other options' to the electorate in a referendum?

Currently all other 'options' are shite for the UK. Not because that is just because Brexit is bad - it us down to the utter incompetence of Robbins and May.

I would rather revoke than accept such shit deals

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Which is their right. Let's see if they can win a majority in parliament and get it through.

Come up with a plan, put it to parliament, put it to the people.

This is what should've happened in the first place!



Free speech, innit.

Not denying his right to say it, just pointing out its lazy, boring and probably wrong :-(

 

[Metal Biker]

Laughable response. You accept lexit is a dead duck but you haven't abandoned brexit. You are a right wing / tory brexit enabler. You intend to vote for the BXP - there politics are far right and you know it. Yet you cant help yourself - you are backing them. Your position is a joke.

Yeah, that proves it, you DON'T read posts.

I said I don't care about brexit anymore. That usually makes people like you go "ahh, so you're a REMAINER now!". I was just getting it in first that no, i'm not now a remainer. But as far as brexit is concerned, I really don't care what happens, I just want it over and done with.

"You intend to vote for the BXP!" Do I?
"You're backing them!" Am I?

But feel free to misinterpret my response, yet again.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Which is their right. Let's see if they can win a majority in parliament and get it through.

Come up with a plan, put it to parliament, put it to the people.

This is what should've happened in the first place!



Free speech, innit.

Maybe. If that was ever a viable option it should have been pitched as that prior to the original referendum. The trouble with your proposal is that it leaves thins open to the ‘if only’ brigade and the conspiracy theorists that any deal proposed to the people isn’t good enough and some sort of government plot to keep us in the EU all along

 

[mcfc1632]

Have I criticised anyone having English Nationalist views. I very much doubt you'll find anything like that in my posts.
Recognise them for what they are. Letting UKIP or whoever hijack English pride doesn't help the image portrayed.
I have maintained in previous posts that the English have a lot to be proud of. I don't really have an understanding of what British means and have never had it explained adequately. That's another debate that I'd actually love to explore, but in regards to Brexit; I've said it to yourself and other Brexiteers that you voted as the UK to exit. You should exit. I've never questioned anyone's motives for how they voted.

But from an Irish point of view as well as a Northern Irish view, I've always questioned the order of events that should have happened to make that a possibility.
The referendum should not have happened just to save the Tory Party, which didn't work out too well so far.
Every step of the way you've created a further mess, which I know you at least in part agree with.
If Johnson has backed the UK into a corner, and I don't believe this is as clever a move as you do, then he has also backed us into a corner which I think he has greatly misjudged.
Britain in general have always thought they had us figured out but my guess is that most don't think about us and when your Tory Govt., do it's a case of why can't they just do x, y or z without any sense of their part or responsibility for the mess that is theirs in the first place.
You have a history of reneging on the will of the people on this island. I won't go back over history again but I'm sure you are aware of what I mean as you must have read some of my previous observations on this.
This isn't just about the GFA. It is trying to make sure that the progress from it is not lost and it is also trying to ensure that you are not allowed force us into the same mistakes that you have enforced in the past.

If that came across as a rant, I apologise. Not my intention.

Sorry to provoke a rant - you have mis-read my intent which I will accept as my fault.

I asked you - rather than others because you seem quite balanced. It was a genuine question - not a barb.

You make good points about historical treatment by UK governments - but.........

I am not having it that the historical failings of the colonial UK mean that in the here and now of 2019 the English should simply accept getting royally shafted.

I flat out reject what seems to be the view of some that the English should just bend over and be fucked for decades to come as some form of penance for past sons.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Which is their right. Let's see if they can win a majority in parliament and get it through.

Come up with a plan, put it to parliament, put it to the people.

This is what should've happened in the first place!



Free speech, innit.

Maybe. If that was ever a viable option it should have been pitched as that prior to the original referendum. The trouble with your proposal is that it leaves thins open to the ‘if only’ brigade and the conspiracy theorists that any deal proposed to the people isn’t good enough and some sort of government plot to keep us in the EU all along

 

[mcfc1632]

Funny you’ve changed your opinion on this. Not long ago you said you didn’t blame the EU for negotiating to the best of their abilities to get the best deal for them and their members.

You do some convoluted twisting

Polite way of saying - what a load of bollocks - I am entirely consistent

Yes I have admired the professionalism of the EU team

Yes I admire the way they have acted in the best interests of the people they work for

THIS MEANS

Yes - they cannot be trusted to look after our interests ahead of the eu

I have said many times - when you have a lemon - squeeze it

 

[Ban-jani]

You do some convoluted twisting

Polite way of saying - what a load of bollocks - I am entirely consistent

Yes I have admired the professionalism of the EU team

Yes I admire the way they have acted in the best interests of the people they work for

THIS MEANS

Yes - they cannot be trusted to look after our interests ahead of the eu

I have said many times - when you have a lemon - squeeze it

It’s not twisting, you specifically said once that you only blame May and not the EU for the Withdrawal Agreement.

So why mention them again?

Why should we expect them to look after us after we’ve voted to leave? What sort of point even is that?

 

[Dribble]

Hope you enjoyed your brew. We're going back a bit here, but the quote I'm making isn't mine, it's a quote from
Nigel Farage, which is what he said BEFORE the referendum, the quote was corrected from 'No deal is better than a bad deal.'
WHERE, WHEN, and by WHOM was anything qualified on the ballot paper, that offered to stay, or leave with a deal?
The choice was Leave the EU, Stay in the EU no deals were mentioned.
Do you want to see a copy of that paper?
Your suggestion is that millions voted the way they did must be because they were seduced by this one recurring point.
By the same logic, millions were seduced to vote remain by the threats of massive job losses and tax increases, was that the case?
Basically, one side won, the other lost, the losers just will not accept that, which is why we are where we are.

The brew was refreshing thanks. :-)

If the Nazi Nige quote was before the referendum, when & where was it made? You've clarified the whom, but I'd just like to see where no deal was given as an option by the far right Brexiteers?

You stated: "Your suggestion is that millions voted the way they did must be because they were seduced by this one recurring point."

Actually as quoted earlier, the main point that seduced the far right was as follows:

"Nigel Farage believes that Brexit would not have "got over the line" if it hadn't been for the single issue of immigration"

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/nigel-farage-discusses-george-osborne-brexit-comments-on-bbc-newsnight-1-5760680

It doesn't paint a pretty picture....

 

[Dribble]

And leave voters get called stupid......

There is no need at all for the nazi comparisons. My dads Jewish family escaped from Europe during the war. I voted leave - are you saying I’m a nazi ? Directly comparing me to someone like that ??

Stop being an idiot and cut out the lazy, stupid comparisons

Have I called you a Nazi? I clearly stated the far right Brexiteers have used the same tactic Hitler used to convince his people his doctrine was correct & in their best interests: EG:

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/to...ne-brexit-comments-on-bbc-newsnight-1-5760680

I wouldn't even mind, but the people in the poster picture were Syrian refugees fleeing the fighting in their country, and not immigrants marching through a field in Kent.

 

[blueish swede]