Another new Brexit thread

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John Crace(@JohnJCrace)

Boris Johnson is really struggling here. It’s as if his own MPs have just woken up to the fact he’s a bit shit

September 3, 2019

That's the sense I got from it as well, really didn't cover himself in glory.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It’s not a claim this one was advisory. This referendum left it for parliament to negotiate with the EU. This is whts still happening as well as negotiating with itself. Its how it works like it or don’t it’s what is happening in front of your eyes.

And that same parliament voted, more than once to honour it.
Because most of them don't like it, they have sought to undermine it.
Which will, if these shenanigans continue, create big problems, as we're seeing.

 

[Ric]

That's the sense I got from it as well, really didn't cover himself in glory.

Incredibly, he came across even worse than May, which I didn’t think was possible.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Going by the yield curve 6-10 months.

I'll await it with bated breath.

 

[BobKowalski]

I was thinking more of potential Bxp voters, Labour leavers, the editors of the mail and telegraph etc. He has to be able to show to them that he has no choice other than to go down the election route and that he’s fighting their corner for brexit against that nasty remain majority in parliament. Taking a few blows, suffering the odd black eye can be quite useful in that setting

Definitely gimp mask wearers. Probably the rest are too.

And yeah I get what you are saying. But if ‘heroic battling against reality’ is what they want then there isn’t much the rest of us can do about it. You can’t fix stupid.

 

[mcfc1632]

This country does indeed have a proud history.It should be remembered and celebrated,not used to divide.


I find it sad.
All the sacrifices the fallen made during both wars and their sacrifices are still being used by people attempting to win an argument on the internet.

History is meant to be used to learn from our successes as well as our mistakes.
Seemingly we often don't learn.

You are spot on

For me those that make these cheap comparisons insult their memory

 

[mcfc1632]

Putting your passion to one side and thinking objectively and calmly....

Do you genuinely think that if the UK leaves the EU at the end of October that it will increase the prospect of Scotland leaving the UK?

If so - why?

Remember - putting the emotion to one side

Sorry - that was meant for @Magicpole

 

[Vic]

Hope you enjoyed your brew. We're going back a bit here, but the quote I'm making isn't mine, it's a quote from
Nigel Farage, which is what he said BEFORE the referendum, the quote was corrected from 'No deal is better than a bad deal.'
WHERE, WHEN, and by WHOM was anything qualified on the ballot paper, that offered to stay, or leave with a deal?
The choice was Leave the EU, Stay in the EU no deals were mentioned.
Do you want to see a copy of that paper?
Your suggestion is that millions voted the way they did must be because they were seduced by this one recurring point.
By the same logic, millions were seduced to vote remain by the threats of massive job losses and tax increases, was that the case?
Basically, one side won, the other lost, the losers just will not accept that, which is why we are where we are.

Congratulations. You win the prize. For weeks I've been asking Leavers for anything from the Leave campaign that suggested we might leave with no deal. I knew that Farage quote was out there - and that no-one could remember it (which is significant in itself). It doesn't really change the narrative - Farage mentioned the possibility that other EU countries might cut of their nose to spite their face, and added "They won't" - so in the end he was still saying there would be a deal.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Exactly when, are these bubbles popping?

Ye canna defy the laws of physics Jim.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Incredibly, he came across even worse than May, which I didn’t think was possible.

I did and said as much at the time.
I won't get giddy yet, but there's a slight chance I may turn out to be right. There's a first.

 

[Dribble]

Can we just stop all the nazi / 30's Germany bollocks please. Not only is it a poor comparison, but it's insulting to not only those you wish to insult but the memories of those killed by actual nazis. It's also just boring and adds little.

I'm sorry, but all I've done is provide you a mirror in which to look at yourself with. This has all the hallmarks of what the Nazis did to come to power. I'm not suggesting you're going to round up & murder the UK's population or Rags or owt, but my point stands, & the comparisons to what the Nazis did in the 1930s, and what Trump has done/is doing bears worrying similarities to the far right's approach to Brexit.

 

[mcfc1632]

You listen to people on tv and that is not the way they view it - we won out alone. They don't say we stood alone they say we won two world wars alone

Some proper backsliding right there

Was "actually - with hindsight - I realise I need to stop posting this bollocks - making me seem proper desperate.."

Too difficult to admit?

 

[Metal Biker]

True - but Brexit is supported by the extreme right and extreme left. You are not going to meet in the middle are you. And the numbers from the right are much greater than the left - so you are just enabling the far right.

You might have your reasons but what you are doing is enabling the likes of Boris and Farage. There is no Lexit movement of any scale that you are helping. Brexit will only ever result in a big shift to the right. You have to accept that simple reality is one you acknowledge and can live with - or you live on a different planet to the rest of us.

What do you mean "me"? You're part of the discussion too, are you not?
One of the reasons the lexit discussion is not being made is that you're one of those ignoring it in favour of another, unpopular option; remaining. Lexit is the middle ground, one that I support, but when the extremes of the brexit debate continue to fight over which one of their minority viewpoints the country "must" follow, then there's no surprise that a lexit is being subsided.

 

[BobKowalski]

RTE:

EU member states have been told by the European Commission Task Force that the UK under Boris Johnson is rengeging on its commitments to protect the all-Ireland economy and meaningful North-South cooperation, as enshinred in the Joint Report of December 2017.

Independent:

EU source about the way the UK government is presenting negotiations back at home: "They are just lying now about the talks"

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I actually think it’s a good thing some these mps are leaving or switching sides. We’ve needed this rebalancing for years now. A lot of theses labour and Tory mps are lying to themselves about where they lie politically

 

[west didsblue]

What do you mean "me"? You're part of the discussion too, are you not?
One of the reasons the lexit discussion is not being made is that you're one of those ignoring it in favour of another, unpopular option; remaining. Lexit is the middle ground, one that I support, but when the extremes of the left and right continue to fight over which one of their minority viewpoints the country "must" follow, then there's no surprise that a lexit is being subsided.

Are you having a laugh.
The only proponent of Lexit I can think of on here other than you is @Rascal and he would readily admit to being slightly to the left of Karl Marx. There may be one or two others.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

What do you mean "me"? You're part of the discussion too, are you not?
One of the reasons the lexit discussion is not being made is that you're one of those ignoring it in favour of another, unpopular option; remaining. Lexit is the middle ground, one that I support, but when the extremes of the brexit debate continue to fight over which one of their minority viewpoints the country "must" follow, then there's no surprise that a lexit is being subsided.

You have missed the point here.

You want a Lexit - I'm pointing out it is obvious that is never going to be the outcome. - Do you agree?

In voting for and supporting brexit as you have done you will only ever get a hard/alt right brexit. You are part or the driving force behind this outcome. One you claim to not want! - Do you get it?

 

[mcfc1632]

Why would it harm the UK's negotiating position?
If no deal is at best just a 'few bumps in the road' or at worse marginally worse than a trade deal then the same must apply to the EU and so what's all the fuss about?

I doubt that I have before seen do many points missed in a short post

Cannot summon the effort to respond on my phone TBH

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

RTE:

EU member states have been told by the European Commission Task Force that the UK under Boris Johnson is rengeging on its commitments to protect the all-Ireland economy and meaningful North-South cooperation, as enshinred in the Joint Report of December 2017.

Independent:

EU source about the way the UK government is presenting negotiations back at home: "They are just lying now about the talks"

Again wasn't this obvious to anyone who used common sense?
It's simply going to be a no deal or another extension

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Whoa! Calm down tiger......

I never claimed immigration was a factor in your decision to follow the Nazi far right of Farage & Bonkers Boris, no different to the ordinary German bloke in WW2 who found himself a Nazi without realising what he was truly voting, or goose-stepping for. However, I factually stated that immigration was the single biggest issue which led to a vote leave consensus. You've got the evidence, and if you need more, just holler & I'll furnish you with as much as you like.

It's not your fault pal, I've just provided you with a mirror to look at yourself with, and obviously it's shocked you. Like I said, Nazi Nige & Bonkers Boris have relied on the sleeping masses to allow them to put their agenda into action. Hopefully you're waking up to the Brexit lies which have seduced decent ordinary people like yourself.

The same happened in 1930s Germany mate, but thankfully their people finally woke up to what was actually happening around them just as you hopefully will.

Also, you've STILL not answered my question: Where do you stand on Ireland & Scotland wanting their countries back, or is the recovery of one's sovereignty only the preserve of the UK? A simple question, are you in favour of them gaining independence from the UK, much the same as the independence you want from the EU?

And leave voters get called stupid......

There is no need at all for the nazi comparisons. My dads Jewish family escaped from Europe during the war. I voted leave - are you saying I’m a nazi ? Directly comparing me to someone like that ??

Stop being an idiot and cut out the lazy, stupid comparisons