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That's the dumbest thing i've heard from a politician from Thornberry, there.

"Put us in power, we'll negotiate a better deal with the EU than the Tories, then we'll put it to the people in another referendum, where i'll campaign for people not to vote for it"

Then what is the point of Labour being in 'powah' on that basis?
 
Neville Kneville said:
I think the current right wing of the tory party is running the show & is the most extreme, dangerous & unethical bunch of cunts ever to be in power, since I was old enough to understand anything & I think Farage & his mob will join in with them.

I think they only want to leave the EU, in order to be unfettered cunts & get back to the 'values' of their past icons such as Enoch Powell, who was the originator of the anti EU movement.

They are also totally fucking incompetent & stupid.

Unfortunately, Corbyn's mob will probably be the 2nd worst & equally incompetent
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I just don’t see the point as an individual having to pick the one you think is the least shit. You have one vote, I have one vote. Neither of those votes will decide anything. If you vote for either you are giving them your suppport.You become part of their overall vote, you contribute to their existence and effectively give them legitimacy. Vote for someone else, vote for no one then at least you can say you didn’t contribute to the fuckwittery.

People cannot complain about the state of our politics while contributing to it. If everyone said fuck this shit it may make a difference but they won’t but as an individual you can at least say you tried.
 
Neville Kneville said:
If true, I'm wondering what sort of person votes for Boris Johnson & Reece Mogg & crew, if not purely for Brexit reasons.

Different question when they were just fouling the backbenches or discrediting a minesterial position, but now, they are in charge.
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I really don't know. At the moment I think all the parties are relying on tribal politics to save them. It is certainly a fascinating time.
 
In every election people can vote for someone else. I'd welcome it. Problem is in FPTP its meaningless. Abstention is not the answer for the same reason. To have any effect people on a constituency by constituency basis need to consider what on offer and vote accordingly. Sadly most people have their minds made up for them and so it goes.
 
hilts said:
I thought you said he was unelectable or have I got the wrong poster? Genuine question.
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You mean Boris? Honestly I can't remember. I may have said that. I certainly remember saying he was toxic or poison or similar words. Suffice to say I not his biggest fan

But the prospect of a Corbyn government really frightens me. And that usurps everything for me. I'd rather anything, than have to suffer John McDonnell being chancellor of the Exchequer.

You may not feel like this, but I ask the undecided to reflect upon this. It's important, really, really important.

John McDonnell has said he is a Marxist.
He said of the 2008 crash - which has really hurt everyone in the UK - "I've been waiting all my life for this"
He's called for insurrection in the streets
He was sacked by Ken Livingstone for trying to wreck the GLC's finances

And people are seriously thinking it will be ok to let him run the country's finances? Seriously???

He'll ruin the country either accidentally or deliberately. Quite possibly the latter, because he is determined to bring about systemic change by hook or by crook. The ruination of our economy and putting millions out of work, is a small price for him because he is hell bent on smashing the capitalist system. That's his life-long mission.
 
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You mean Boris? Honestly I can't remember. I may have said that. I certainly remember saying he was toxic or poison or similar words. Suffice to say I not his biggest fan

But the prospect of a Corbyn government really frightens me. And that usurps everything for me. I'd rather anything, than have to suffer John McDonnell being chancellor of the Exchequer.

You may not feel like this, but I ask the undecided to reflect upon this. It's important, really, really important.

John McDonnell has said he is a Marxist.
He said of the 2008 crash - which has really hurt everyone in the UK - "I've been waiting all my life for this"
He's called for insurrection in the streets
He was sacked by Ken Livingstone for trying to wreck the GLC's finances

And people are seriously thinking it will be ok to let him run the country's finances? Seriously???

He'll ruin the country either accidentally or deliberately. Quite possibly the latter, because he is determined to bring about systemic change by hook or by crook.
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Fella McDonnell is a twat, a proper twat, I posted earlier his conversation with Marr and surprise surprise the momentum lot won’t comment because they don’t have an answer, I did the same last week with FOM, I even said my stats could be questioned and I would re look at it, not one reply. This is how the forum is, I don’t agree with your stance on the enviroment or your general views on politics but that is fine.

The whole forum is a shouting match. I’m watching question time and it’s the same, they’re all at it. The Lib Dem woman has just said she wants another referendum, she was asked why her leader said even if they lost again she wouldn’t accept it. How can we move on if people just say we want our way and even democratic votes won’t stop us. What’s the point?
 
Puzzled as to why a man who called for an election not voting for one is somehow worse than a man who continually tells us ( repeated today )that he doesn't want one calling for one.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Puzzled as to why a man who called for an election not voting for one is somehow worse than a man who continually tells us (repeated today) that he doesn't want one calling for one.
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I think one is lying because he's been told to and one is lying because he is very frightened - I'll leave you to work out which is which and which is worse.
 
Blumers Bloomers said:
The mere thought of Corbyn, Thornberry and Abbott running the country is the Tories election dream ticket
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I sometimes lie awake at night worrying about all sorts of horrible things and wondering if everything will be OK in the end.

The thought of those three in charge has just ensured even bigger bags under my eyes.

Cheers.
 
George Hannah said:
I think one is lying because he's been told to and one is lying because he is very frightened - I'll leave you to work out which is which and which is worse.
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the answer is simple - one has vowed that something will happen do or die on a given date and he would rather die in a ditch than have it not happen. The other can delay things until such date has passed and see which course of action the other one take. Its called politics. One is better at it than the other.
 
bluethrunthru said:
the answer is simple - one has vowed that something will happen do or die on a given date and he would rather die in a ditch than have it not happen. The other can delay things until such date has passed and see which course of action the other one take. Its called politics. One is better at it than the other.
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So - you have it in your power to allow a general election, and are not quite sure what to do, when your opponent says if you don't have the election but instead use your power to put him in a position of doing something he said he'd not do, then he'd rather die in a ditch (and presumably resign rather than die in a ditch). You have to admit - if not having the election (which you might not win) means your opponent resigns, there doesn't seem much attraction in having an election.

And Johnson thinks he can negotiate....
 
Vic said:
So - you have it in your power to allow a general election, and are not quite sure what to do, when your opponent says if you don't have the election but instead use your power to put him in a position of doing something he said he'd not do, then he'd rather die in a ditch (and presumably resign rather than die in a ditch). You have to admit - if not having the election (which you might not win) means your opponent resigns, there doesn't seem much attraction in having an election.

And Johnson thinks he can negotiate....
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well Johnson could always walk away................oh wait he can't. I thought that was the best threat in all negotiations?
 
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