Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

the answer is simple - one has vowed that something will happen do or die on a given date and he would rather die in a ditch than have it not happen. The other can delay things until such date has passed and see which course of action the other one take. Its called politics. One is better at it than the other.

What Johnson means by his die in the ditch comment is that he will refuse to ask the EU despite the law requiring him too.

If allowed to get away with this then the SNP will decide that they no longer have to get Westminster’s approval for indyref2 and will go ahead anyway. At this point all other groups and factions will also decide that if the PM can ignore the law then they can too and chaos reigns.

The other option is that Parliament removes him from power with the support of a sizeable number of Tories and an alternative Govt is sworn in.

Johnson has no choice but to die in the ditch. If he asks the EU for an extension even one mandated by Parliament then he’s dead anyway.

 

[hilts]

So - you have it in your power to allow a general election, and are not quite sure what to do, when your opponent says if you don't have the election but instead use your power to put him in a position of doing something he said he'd not do, then he'd rather die in a ditch (and presumably resign rather than die in a ditch). You have to admit - if not having the election (which you might not win) means your opponent resigns, there doesn't seem much attraction in having an election.

And Johnson thinks he can negotiate....

That’s quite badly thought out and smacks of labour bias, if Johnson is a half wit,and he certainly is ,why wouldn’t you unless he plays silly buggers with the date go for the election? Wait and he resigns? So what the next person might be better than Johnson and you have just shot yourself in the foot. The problem is labour don’t have a clue brexit wise how to play this.

If there was a general election soon then what do we have

Brexit Party straightforward leave but won’t get in
Lib Dem’s straightforward remain following ref unless they lose then I guess fuck knows and won’t get in
Tories some leave some deal some probably remain
labour deal(good luck with a decent one, referendum no idea of the question but no deal not there, so maybe they will campaign against their own deal)

This election will sure clear it all up.

 

[BobKowalski]

That’s quite badly thought out and smacks of labour bias, if Johnson is a half wit,and he certainly is ,why wouldn’t you unless he plays silly buggers with the date go for the election? Wait and he resigns? So what the next person might be better than Johnson and you have just shot yourself in the foot. The problem is labour don’t have a clue brexit wise how to play this.

If there was a general election soon then what do we have

Brexit Party straightforward leave but won’t get in
Lib Dem’s straightforward remain following ref unless they lose then I guess fuck knows and won’t get in
Tories some leave some deal some probably remain
labour deal(good luck with a decent one, referendum no idea of the question but no deal not there, so maybe they will campaign against their own deal)

This election will sure clear it all up.

I think the plan is to watch Johnson ‘die in a ditch’. I’m buying tickets.

 

[hilts]

I think the plan is to watch Johnson ‘die in a ditch’. I’m buying tickets.

If he gets beat in an election he will die in a ditch anyhow. labours problem is they don’t have have the balls to make a decision. As no deal is all but dead we are going to the EU and saying we will have a deal or revoke. The Eu will,obviously not give us anything worth much so staying will be the better option. Either way leavers won’t be happy so why not just man up and campaign for revoke, fuck the Lib Dem’s over and watch Boris crumble.

Unless theyre scared of losing?

Personally I think they would win, but as remainers their natural inclination is to be scared shitless, risk averse some might say.

 

[BobKowalski]

If he gets beat in an election he will die in a ditch anyhow. labours problem is they don’t have have the balls to make a decision. As no deal is all but dead we are going to the EU and saying we will have a deal or revoke. The Eu will,obviously not give us anything worth much so staying will be the better option. Either way leavers won’t be happy so why not just man up and campaign for revoke, fuck the Lib Dem’s over and watch Boris crumble.

Unless theyre scared of losing?

Personally I think they would win, but as remainers their natural inclination is to be scared shitless, risk averse some might say.

Johnson said he would ‘die in a ditch’ rather than extend therefore if Parliament instruct him by law to extend and he does so then he is dead. He is in effect Corbyn’s bitch. The Brexit Party will flay him and the Tories alive in the election that follows.

If he refuses to obey the law then the SNP will be first in line to ignore the law on an independence referendum. Ditto every other group that decides it’s now open season and the rule of law is dead. That being the case Tories will join with the opposition in forming an alternative Govt at the request of Her Maj.

So in conclusion it makes zero sense for Corbyn to force an election prior to Johnson immolating himself. Now whether this makes us Remainers ‘risk adverse’ or simply good at spotting the bleeding obvious I will let others decide.

 

[hilts]

Johnson said he would ‘die in a ditch’ rather than extend therefore if Parliament instruct him by law to extend and he does so then he is dead. He is in effect Corbyn’s bitch. The Brexit Party will flay him and the Tories alive in the election that follows.

If he refuses to obey the law then the SNP will be first in line to ignore the law on an independence referendum. Ditto every other group that decides it’s now open season and the rule of law is dead. That being the case Tories will join with the opposition in forming an alternative Govt at the request of Her Maj.

So in conclusion it makes zero sense for Corbyn to force an election prior to Johnson immolating himself. Now whether this makes us Remainers ‘risk adverse’ or simply good at spotting the bleeding obvious I will let others decide.

Well there is at least one person that believe what Johnson says then.

Cool fortelling of the future though, I’m still going they haven’t a clue what they will campaign on Brexit wise. The biggest laugh tonight thornberry explaining labours brexit policy.

 

[BobKowalski]

Well there is at least one person that believe what Johnson says then.

Cool fortelling of the future though, I’m still going they haven’t a clue what they will campaign on Brexit wise. The biggest laugh tonight thornberry explaining labours brexit policy.

Not a question of belief. If Johnson asks for an extension he’s fucked. If he doesn’t then there will be a constitutional crisis and he will be fucked. Johnson’s only escape route is to to pull off a deal with the EU and get the House to ratify it before 31st Oct. Then we will have a ‘technical extension’ to pass the necessary legislation into law. At this point the Brexit Party will cry ‘betrayal’ and flay him and the Tories alive at the next election for turning us into a colony of the EU blah, blah.

So yeah. Still fucked I guess.

 

[Rascal]

You mean Boris? Honestly I can't remember. I may have said that. I certainly remember saying he was toxic or poison or similar words. Suffice to say I not his biggest fan

But the prospect of a Corbyn government really frightens me. And that usurps everything for me. I'd rather anything, than have to suffer John McDonnell being chancellor of the Exchequer.

You may not feel like this, but I ask the undecided to reflect upon this. It's important, really, really important.

John McDonnell has said he is a Marxist.
He said of the 2008 crash - which has really hurt everyone in the UK - "I've been waiting all my life for this"
He's called for insurrection in the streets
He was sacked by Ken Livingstone for trying to wreck the GLC's finances

And people are seriously thinking it will be ok to let him run the country's finances? Seriously???

He'll ruin the country either accidentally or deliberately. Quite possibly the latter, because he is determined to bring about systemic change by hook or by crook. The ruination of our economy and putting millions out of work, is a small price for him because he is hell bent on smashing the capitalist system. That's his life-long mission.

Here we go again.

Chippy my mate, just because you keep posting this stuff, it doesn't make it true.

 

[Rascal]

I sometimes lie awake at night worrying about all sorts of horrible things and wondering if everything will be OK in the end.

The thought of those three in charge has just ensured even bigger bags under my eyes.

Cheers.

What frightens you?

 

[urban genie]

The mere thought of Corbyn, Thornberry and Abbott running the country is the Tories election dream ticket

The PM and Chancellor runs the country, everyone knows that. Well they did until johnson devalued the position of both with himself and that useless fuck Javid.

What do you fear about the opposition, we as a nation are at our lowest point with this cabinet, and el prsidente johnsons banan republic tactics, anything besides them would be an improvement.

 

[Vic]

Well there is at least one person that believe what Johnson says then.

Cool fortelling of the future though, I’m still going they haven’t a clue what they will campaign on Brexit wise. The biggest laugh tonight thornberry explaining labours brexit policy.

I remind you that Johnson and Rees-Mogg have both (years ago) advocated the current Labour policy. Negotiate the best deal you can then have a second referendum to see whether people like the deal or would rather remain. (Thornberry should have thought of that on QT.)

 

[Vic]

That’s quite badly thought out and smacks of labour bias, if Johnson is a half wit,and he certainly is ,why wouldn’t you unless he plays silly buggers with the date go for the election? Wait and he resigns? So what the next person might be better than Johnson and you have just shot yourself in the foot. The problem is labour don’t have a clue brexit wise how to play this.

If there was a general election soon then what do we have

Brexit Party straightforward leave but won’t get in
Lib Dem’s straightforward remain following ref unless they lose then I guess fuck knows and won’t get in
Tories some leave some deal some probably remain
labour deal(good luck with a decent one, referendum no idea of the question but no deal not there, so maybe they will campaign against their own deal)

This election will sure clear it all up.

I was trying to keep it simple.

Johnson resigns. Does the Queen appoint another Tory as PM with no majority, or invite Corbyn, or someone else with the confidence of the House? (Johnson's brother would be a fun choice)

 

[Saddleworth2]

I understand that at the moment Brexit is everything for some people but I think in the case of a GE a lot of people will vote for domestic policies. I don't believe leave or remain will decide the result as much as people think. I genuinely think a huge part of the Ref result was a backlash by people who felt left behind and saw politicians telling them everything was great in the EU but they weren't seeing any benefit for them, misguided maybe but for me understandable. There will obviously be people who believe very strongly in their vote to leave/remain but there is in my opinion a large section that would vote for what will help them day to day.

I agree, but people will still vote tory irrespective of the fact that it is they that have and continue to ruin our nation. That doesn't make me a Jeremy fan by any means. Above all, the country needs competent, honest government that is socially fair without being economically careless. Principles that I thought defined the UK, openness, kindness, fairness, showing humanity wouldn't go amiss either. I'm not sure we will get that with either of the main parties.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

The PM and Chancellor runs the country, everyone knows that. Well they did until johnson devalued the position of both with himself and that useless fuck Javid.

What do you fear about the opposition, we as a nation are at our lowest point with this cabinet, and el prsidente johnsons banan republic tactics, anything besides them would be an improvement.

Fiscal disaster!

 

[urban genie]

Fiscal disaster!

Already there mate, I doubt we can sink lower.

Investment and a message of hope with help boost us though, the present bluff bluster and bullshit won't

 

[Vic]

Can anyone explain how Johnson can just put down a motion with a 50% majority for a GE when the Fixed Term Parliaments Act lays down the law and says "Parliament cannot otherwise be dissolved"?

 

[inbetween]

The PM and Chancellor runs the country, everyone knows that. Well they did until johnson devalued the position of both with himself and that useless fuck Javid.

What do you fear about the opposition, we as a nation are at our lowest point with this cabinet, and el prsidente johnsons banan republic tactics, anything besides them would be an improvement.

The FT just last week wrote a piece on Labour's spending commitments and they amounted to £50bn extra required per year. (This doesn't include the planned nationalisations).

Because of the way their taxation plans work and to make sure they adhere to their fiscal credibility rule to balance the deficit in 5 years, taxes will have to go up for everyone, even the lowest paid.

When will they communicate this fact to the public?

Are you ready to pay more?

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Already there mate, I doubt we can sink lower.

Investment and a message of hope with help boost us though, the present bluff bluster and bullshit won't

Don't be silly, look at the figures the last few years. I am not saying they couldn't be a little better, but they could certainly be a lot worse and they most definitely will be if the three stooges, Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott get in. It will be catastrophic for UK plc and especially for Small and Medium sized businesses.

 

[urban genie]

The FT just last week wrote a piece on Labour's spending commitments and they amounted to £50bn extra required per year. (This doesn't include the planned nationalisations).

Because of the way their taxation plans work and to make sure they adhere to their fiscal credibility rule to balance the deficit in 5 years, taxes will have to go up for everyone, even the lowest paid.

When will they communicate this fact to the public?

Are you ready to pay more?

Strange that as a september 4th article by Katie Martin in the FT said the econmists and markets were now warming to labours fiscal stratergy and see it a a positive plan to stimulate the market and boost sterling.


So maybe it ain't all as cut n dry as you make out.


In any case johnsons non plans are still worse than labours actual plans

 

[Rascal]

The FT just last week wrote a piece on Labour's spending commitments and they amounted to £50bn extra required per year. (This doesn't include the planned nationalisations).

Because of the way their taxation plans work and to make sure they adhere to their fiscal credibility rule to balance the deficit in 5 years, taxes will have to go up for everyone, even the lowest paid.

When will they communicate this fact to the public?

Are you ready to pay more?

Yes, taxes produce a stake in society and are a necessary tool for a fair and equitable way of life.