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I was asked a question and I gave an answer. The referendum wasn't binding. THIS is all down to the antics of the Tories, who I didn't vote for.

There are millions of arseholes voted for this, but there are also plently of people who looked at what they were told, made a decision & voted honestly, thinking they were doing the right thing.

Those are the people who were shit on & the people doing the shitting, were those selling it.
 
Ah a remainer telling leavers what their opinions should be, never seen that before.

Interesting "like" from someone who previously denounced twitter users and their opinions though ;)

Nowhere in that tweet was a remainer telling a leaver what their opinion should be.

That was a sensible person explaining succinctly how it's possible for Labour to carry out their duty to the electorate which voted leave by negotiating a deal, while believing as a party that remain is better.
 
Ah a remainer telling leavers what their opinions should be, never seen that before.

Interesting "like" from someone who previously denounced twitter users and their opinions though ;)

Sigh.

Being off Twitter because there’s a lot of wankers on there doesn’t mean that one cannot appreciate one specific twitter post when it’s a good post.

I mean that really didn’t need saying did it?
 
Nowhere in that tweet was a remainer telling a leaver what their opinion should be.

That was a sensible person explaining succinctly how it's possible for Labour to carry out their duty to the electorate by negotiating a deal, while believing as a party that remain is better.
But again, the point was about Thornberry and how it made no sense for her to suggest people should support a Labour Govt. to negotiate a deal that she be involved in, and would then not support or promote.
 
Pound rallied on news of no-deal getting off the table.
https://www.fxstreet.com/analysis/g...creasing-chances-of-a-hard-brexi-201909051913

Simply the market showing what it values more with its wallet.

This hyper-fetishism of market prices is what caused the Brexit vote to win in the first place.

And for the record, at the same time the Bank of England chief declared that the predicted loss of growth for a no deal Brexit had been overstated and then reevaluted their figure.

You, as with everybody who talks about "how the markets react" pick and choose what things influence and what don't.
 
But again, the point was about Thornberry and how it made no sense for her to suggest people should support a Labour Govt. to negotiate a deal that she be involved in, and would then not support or promote.

You're being wilfully stupid now.

Emily Thornberry would negotiate a deal to leave because the public voted to leave and a labour government would be duty bound to do so because of the referendum result.

That's got nothing to do with their position on leave/remain in a second referendum, it's to do with their position on deal/no deal.


This is not a difficult concept to understand.
 
This hyper-fetishism of market prices is what caused the Brexit vote to win in the first place.

And for the record, at the same time the Bank of England chief declared that the predicted loss of growth for a no deal Brexit had been overstated and then reevaluted their figure.

You, as with everybody who talks about "how the markets react" pick and choose what things influence and what don't.
Predicted loss of growth on 5.5% of GDP as opposed to 8%. Brilliant news. Might as well 'just get on with it' then.
 
And for the record, at the same time the Bank of England chief declared that the predicted loss of growth for a no deal Brexit had been overstated and then reevaluted their figure.

You, as with everybody who talks about "how the markets react" pick and choose what things influence and what don't.

I dont see how the latter needs to absolutly follow from the former, other than that you want to present it as such as to have a tool for denunciation.

Ironicly, by virtue that you base youre concusion on "only providing 1 link that would favour one side", youre kinda wanton for doing exactly the same in youre own post as reaction, engaging in the same thing you complain about.

This time, the fallacy was "whataboutism".
 
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Even with the 21 rebels he doesn't have a majority.
He would only need a simple majority for the anticipated one clause Election Bill setting aside the FTPA, which will follow the current scheduled motion should it fail, which as you say the Opposition coalition have withdrawn their support from and consequently won't reach the threshold. The 21 Tory rebels, having seen their Extension pass into law, are obliged to give their party its best chance to beat Corbyn on October 15th and give the country the final option to decide if No Deal stays on the table. As Tories they can't claim they don't believe Boris won't change the election date to November to enable a crash out. It offers an opportnity for them to return to the fold accepting an olive branch from Boris, as he just hinted this morning. None of them wants to be damaged by a Brexit Party association post October 31st. I don't know if this sequence has already been gamed out by Cummings but it's possible, even likely.
 
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You're being wilfully stupid now.

Emily Thornberry would negotiate a deal to leave because the public voted to leave and a labour government would be duty bound to do so because of the referendum result.

That's got nothing to do with their position on leave/remain in a second referendum, it's to do with their position on deal/no deal.


This is not a difficult concept to understand.
I understand it perfectyl, but given Thornberry's tone and her canvassing to get leave votes by "trusting them", to hear her say "yeah, I still wouldn't back the deal, even if it was my own", is a ludicrous one to suggest if she wants people's support, hence the groans.
 
I understand it perfectyl, but given Thornberry's tone and her canvassing to get leave votes by "trusting them", to hear her say "yeah, I still wouldn't back the deal, even if it was my own", is a ludicrous one to suggest if she wants people's support, hence the groans.

Thornberry is just doing what Cameron should have done and what May did.
 
He would only need a simple majority for the anticipated one clause Election Bill setting aside the FTPA, which will follow the current scheduled motion should it fail, which as you say the Opposition coalition have withdrawn their support from and consequently won't reach the threshold. The 21 Tory rebels, having seen their Extension pass into law, are obliged to give their party its best chance to beat Corbyn on October 15th and give the country the final option to decide if No Deal stays on the table. As Tories they can't claim they don't believe Boris won't change the election date to November to enable a crash out. It offers an opportnity for them to return to the fold accepting an olive branch from Boris, as he just hinted this morning. None of them wants to be damaged by a Brexit Party association post October 31st. I don't know if this sequence has already been gamed out by Cummings but it's possible, even likely.

Do you really think Grieve and Clarke etc would help them out now? A number aren't standing again anyway - Clarkes long term local constituency agent felt obliged to piss all over his reputation in an interview - probably for fear of getting kicked out himself. They owe everything to their party but nothing to Johnson and Cummings - I can't see them lifting a finger to help that pair out - at the very best they might abstain from any vote. The squirming of Cummings which is then just demeaning Johnson in office is becoming more and more desperate as they see themselves being locked in with no way out.
 
He would only need a simple majority for the anticipated one clause Election Bill setting aside the FTPA, which will follow the current scheduled motion should it fail, which as you say the Opposition coalition have withdrawn their support from and consequently won't reach the threshold. The 21 Tory rebels, having seen their Extension pass into law, are obliged to give their party its best chance to beat Corbyn on October 15th and give the country the final option to decide if No Deal stays on the table. As Tories they can't claim they don't believe Boris won't change the election date to November to enable a crash out. It offers an opportnity for them to return to the fold accepting an olive branch from Boris, as he just hinted this morning. None of them wants to be damaged by a Brexit Party association post October 31st. I don't know if this sequence has already been gamed out by Cummings but it's possible, even likely.
Their party?
 
Predicted loss of growth on 5.5% of GDP as opposed to 8%. Brilliant news. Might as well 'just get on with it' then.

You should read these things more carefully.

The BoE predicted that the GDP between now and 2030 would grow 8% slower. In a no deal Brexit scenario, which apparently is some sort of economic extinction level event, they predict that the GDP between now and 2030 would grow 5.5% slower.

So at no point are they predicting that a no deal Brexit is actually going to shrinken the economy, only that we'll grow around 5% less quickly. So we'll still grow.

This means that instead of growing at 2% per year, we will actually grow at 1.9%

I'll call Superman.
 
Now you're making stuff up.
Hopefully McDonnell will ever have the opportunity to let me say "I fucking told you so".

Where exactly do you think he plans on getting the money from for the "sweeping nationalisation policy" - as the Guardian called it?

The money tree? Or by taking it off people. Hint: there is no money tree.
 
You're being wilfully stupid now.

Emily Thornberry would negotiate a deal to leave because the public voted to leave and a labour government would be duty bound to do so because of the referendum result.

That's got nothing to do with their position on leave/remain in a second referendum, it's to do with their position on deal/no deal.


This is not a difficult concept to understand.
The difficult concept to understand is why the EU would bother meeting her on that basis. Waste. Of. Time.
 
Hopefully McDonnell will ever have the opportunity to let me say "I fucking told you so".

Where exactly do you think he plans on getting the money from for the "sweeping nationalisation policy" - as the Guardian called it?

The money tree? Or by taking it off people. Hint: there is no money tree.
Johnson seems to ha e one promising more money her there and everywhere
 
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