Another new Brexit thread

[BobKowalski]

Just those that have worked behind the scenes to give them what they want perhaps?

Tin foil hats mate. All the rage these days. You’ll fit right in.

 

[BobKowalski]

And of course it makes you wonder...……...

Just how long ago was it that he first had dealings with executives from GS?

What was the recruitments process that he went through?

Was it 4 or 5 interviews?

How did he fit that all in with is very busy schedule? or could it be a reward for services rendered?

Get yet tin foil hat here. Lovely tinfoil hats. Two for a fiver. Suit you sir. Lovely you look. Really grand.

 

[Ric]

Shame they are not being allowed to now?

I’m fairly sure they will be in the near future. As mentioned before, it’s very much in Labour’s interests to allow the current administration to keep destroying their credibility for a little longer yet.

 

[meltonblue]

I keep seeing the word Democracy appear in this thread.

I wonder how many of you voted for Donald Tusk for the EU Presidency.

Oh sorry, we aren't allowed to vote on that are we!

How Democratic.

We did by proxy as we allow our prime minister to do it, all 28 member states have a vote. I've never personally felt it was a position that needed a public vote to elect, it is entrusted to our elected prime minister. Given how low turnout historically is for MEPs, god knows what it would have been like if the entire of Europe was voting for two new presidents every two and a half years.

I'm not sure if it's people overestimating the power that role has (and the president of the commission) just because it has president in the title too, but ultimately they are always beholden to the member states and/or MEPs. Also, I'm not sure, pre-referendum, most people could even name who the presidents for the council and the commission were, let alone what they were accountable for.

 

[Machiavelli]

Who voted for BJ?

Me, and I still haven’t received mine!!!

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Tin foil hats mate. All the rage these days. You’ll fit right in.

I think the serious issue behind the tin foil hats is a lack of trust. The remainers and brexiteers in parliament both seem to have spent the last three years insulting each other and trying to find ways to manipulate due process to suit their own agendas. I'm not saying if we'd had three years of honest debate we'd be any less divided, but there may at least be a bit more trust and respect about.

 

[George Hannah]

I’m fairly sure they will be in the near future. As mentioned before, it’s very much in Labour’s interests to allow the current administration to keep destroying their credibility for a little longer yet.

It's their own credibility they should be concerned about.

 

[meltonblue]

I think the serious issue behind the tin foil hats is a lack of trust. The remainers and brexiteers in parliament both seem to have spent the last three years insulting each other and trying to find ways to manipulate due process to suit their own agendas. I'm not saying if we'd had three years of honest debate we'd be any less divided, but there may at least be a bit more trust and respect about.

Agree with that fully.

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

We did by proxy as we allow our prime minister to do it, all 28 member states have a vote. I've never personally felt it was a position that needed a public vote to elect, it is entrusted to our elected prime minister. Given how low turnout historically is for MEPs, god knows what it would have been like if the entire of Europe was voting for two new presidents every two and a half years.

I'm not sure if it's people overestimating the power that role has (and the president of the commission) just because it has president in the title too, but ultimately they are always beholden to the member states and/or MEPs. Also, I'm not sure, pre-referendum, most people could even name who the presidents for the council and the commission were, let alone what they were accountable for.

He was sat around the table at the G7 though, or should it be G8 now.

He's obviously a very powerful man, and for him to be unelected in this day and age is wrong in my humble opinion.

 

[i kne albert davy]

If you add that to the Tory Party members that voted him as leader and PM, that brings up his total vote to 0.15% of the population or 0.2% of the electorate.

Slightly more than Tusks zero percent then.

 

[Ric]

It's their own credibility they should be concerned about.

Maybe, but I was merely replying to your question about why Labour hadn’t agreed to Johnson’s request for an election. Not really sure what point you’re trying to make.

 

[meltonblue]

He was sat around the table at the G7 though, or should it be G8 now.

He's obviously a very powerful man, and for him to be unelected in this day and age is wrong in my humble opinion.

As are some civil servants, he's more elected than they are. He still can't make any changes without approval from the member states. You have a vote by proxy, if you want to vote directly for the council and commission presidents then fair enough, I personally that is more dangerous than the current (democratic) method of allowing all elected heads of member states to do it.

Given their accountabilities as well, do you honestly think the general public are in a position to judge if either president is doing well and worthy of another term more than those heads of state?

 

[mat]

BBC bending over backwards to avoid saying the PM has admitted in parliament he's going to break the law.

 

[Metal Biker]

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

You can't equate a civil servant to a President or his cabinet (the commission), and its a very slippery slope to have unelected politicians in positions of great power.

We may well see a rise in extremism in Europe some time in the future, who knows how powerful the EU President will be at that time? And for him or her to be unelected is a scary thought for me.

Sorry meltonblue meant to quote you haha.

Been a long day!

 

[mat]

 

[George Hannah]

Maybe, but I was merely replying to your question about why Labour hadn’t agreed to Johnson’s request for an election. Not really sure what point you’re trying to make.

True, I should have added that the Labour Party is delaying the election simply to drive the Tories into a pact with the Brexit Party. Corbyn and his Marxist controllers are seeking to create the conditions for an extremist polarization of politics and ensure that our democratic processes are as chaotic and divisive as they can make them. They know they will lose whenever the vote occurs and just want a contest that will inflict irreparable damage our parliamentary institutions and constitiutional form of government to create the conditions for their poisonous ideology to take root.

 

[BobKowalski]

We did by proxy as we allow our prime minister to do it, all 28 member states have a vote. I've never personally felt it was a position that needed a public vote to elect, it is entrusted to our elected prime minister. Given how low turnout historically is for MEPs, god knows what it would have been like if the entire of Europe was voting for two new presidents every two and a half years.

I'm not sure if it's people overestimating the power that role has (and the president of the commission) just because it has president in the title too, but ultimately they are always beholden to the member states and/or MEPs. Also, I'm not sure, pre-referendum, most people could even name who the presidents for the council and the commission were, let alone what they were accountable for.

Agreed but it’s like arguing against doctrine. Tusk. Unelected. Bad. It’s a Brexit catechism that is chanted from dawn to dusk. It’s like ‘Lord of the Flies’ and we are stuck on the island with these fucking lunatics.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Lib Dems now likely to back revoking Article 50:

 

[George Hannah]

Agreed but it’s like arguing against doctrine. Tusk. Unelected. Bad. It’s a Brexit catechism that is chanted from dawn to dusk. It’s like ‘Lord of the Flies’ and we are stuck on the island with these fucking lunatics.

You need a new pair of specs Piggy, you're not seeing things the right way round ;)