UEFA FFP investigation - CAS decision to be announced Monday, 13th July 9.30am BST

[cleavers]

What ever happened to the appeal to CAS referred to in the thread title?

Nothing yet, we're still waiting for it to be scheduled.

 

[Bodicoteblue]

So many unknowns in all this. I doubt whether anyone, possibly other than Pinto, will admit to having seen the entirety of the leaks and they would never, ever be made available to third parties officially, so I think we'll never have the dirt on other clubs.

Which leaves the limited leaks that Pinto made available to DS as the only matters which are in the public domain. I expect that UEFA will argue those (relatively) few documents relating to City were sufficient to justify an enquiry. We can argue til we're blue in the face that it's unfair as there must have been other stuff on other clubs but I'm not sure that argument would get us very far in the absence of the stolen material.

So it will come down to, firstly, whether due process has been followed by UEFA and, secondly, whether we could provide sufficient evidence to show that those emails were taken out of context and we didn't mislead investigators. I'm confident on the former but not so much on the latter but, like everyone else, I'm guessing.

Thanks for this.
As you say ‘so many unknowns’
I still find it bizarre that the only leaks to DS concerned solely City and apparently no-one else, unless there were, but they were deemed insufficient to warrant investigation. I’m not a betting man but I wonder what the odds would be.
Also, I’m no lawyer but I wonder if it isn’t possible for the court dealing with pinto and his nefarious activities to subpoena the evidence which everyone knows exists, both from him and DS.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Not scheduled yet. List up to mid November

https://www.tas-cas.org/en/media/latest-news/article/list-of-hearings-2.html

 

[fredmont]

Thank you both.

 

[SilverFox2]

Well there is one obvious source for the leaks attacking City from the heart of the UEFA investigations committee and the smear campaign we have seen in the UK media and I think Khaldoon knows exactly who this is. This is another good reason for UEFA to avoid taking action against City. The UEFA officials have too much to lose personally in any ongoing court battle.

I am confident that Mr K and our owners have enough contacts to have gathered evidence of their enemies either via the same leaks or elsewhere for all of them to be fearful.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

Thanks for this.
As you say ‘so many unknowns’
I still find it bizarre that the only leaks to DS concerned solely City and apparently no-one else, unless there were, but they were deemed insufficient to warrant investigation. I’m not a betting man but I wonder what the odds would be.
Also, I’m no lawyer but I wonder if it isn’t possible for the court dealing with pinto and his nefarious activities to subpoena the evidence which everyone knows exists, both from him and DS.

There was lots of stuff in the Der Spiegel coverage including details of the Ronaldo rape case, Mourhino's tax avoidance issues, and salary details for lots of players, but the British press focused heavily on vague seven-year-old emails to City officials about a FFP probe for which we had already been punished. Mourhino got a suspended jail sentence and was fined £2m for tax fraud just seven months ago but it got very little press in the UK.

 

[Newman Noggs]

There was lots of stuff in the Der Spiegel coverage including details of the Ronaldo rape case, Mourhino's tax avoidance issues, and salary details for lots of players, but the British press focused heavily on vague seven-year-old emails to City officials about a FFP probe for which we had already been punished. Mourhino got a suspended jail sentence and was fined £2m for tax fraud just seven months ago but it got very little press in the UK.

And I'm pretty sure that it revealed that the fee for Aguero was actually a paltry £32m and not the £38m that has been used by the media regardless.

 

[KS55]

Not scheduled yet. List up to mid November

https://www.tas-cas.org/en/media/latest-news/article/list-of-hearings-2.html

Worth remembering that the outstanding appeal to CAS does not preclude UEFA from concluding their case.

 

[Keith Moon]

Not scheduled yet. List up to mid November

https://www.tas-cas.org/en/media/latest-news/article/list-of-hearings-2.html

I hope we'll have our hearing here:
https://gulfnews.com/sport/two-alternative-hearing-centres-planned-for-asia-1.1025495

 

[Bodicoteblue]

Worth remembering that the outstanding appeal to CAS does not preclude UEFA from concluding their case.

UEFA, with the cartel breathing down their necks and knowing that they have very little chance of finding City guilty on the available evidence, deliberately sabotage their own investigations by breaching procedural practices,
They eventually announce that City are as guilty as it’s possible to be ever, in the history of guilty things!
CAS throw the case out for breaches of procedural practices.
UEFA shrug their shoulders and say ‘we did our best, they’re guilty but got off on a technicality’
Case closed- and City have the stain of not being completely exonerated and still very guilty in the eyes of the media and other fans.
Job done uefa.
Or am I completely mistaken?

 

[Centurions]

There was lots of stuff in the Der Spiegel coverage including details of the Ronaldo rape case, Mourhino's tax avoidance issues, and salary details for lots of players, but the British press focused heavily on vague seven-year-old emails to City officials about a FFP probe for which we had already been punished. Mourhino got a suspended jail sentence and was fined £2m for tax fraud just seven months ago but it got very little press in the UK.

There's also lots of stuff on Portuguese courts and police communications that we know of. DS claim to have had access to only a portion of the data but it makes me wonder whether it was purely random what they received and what was the breadth of that information. If not random then who requested information on certain parties?

 

[Kinkys Left Foot]

I doubt City are going to take a climbdown of such proportions without wanting a full exoneration.

I'm intrigued ifc Uefa thought they had such an open and shut case why the upper chamber hasn't made a decision. We were led to believe by leaked reports that our guilt was practically decided. Why the enormous delay then if our appeal to CAS doesn't preclude the decision making process of the Adjuctory Chamber.

It all seems a bit odd. Even the Media have gone quiet.

 

[KS55]

UEFA, with the cartel breathing down their necks and knowing that they have very little chance of finding City guilty on the available evidence, deliberately sabotage their own investigations by breaching procedural practices,
They eventually announce that City are as guilty as it’s possible to be ever, in the history of guilty things!
CAS throw the case out for breaches of procedural practices.
UEFA shrug their shoulders and say ‘we did our best, they’re guilty but got off on a technicality’
Case closed- and City have the stain of not being completely exonerated and still very guilty in the eyes of the media and other fans.
Job done uefa.
Or am I completely mistaken?

Entirely possible, which is why I have urged City to publish their file of evidence when the case is complete.

 

[kippax4ever]

UEFA, with the cartel breathing down their necks and knowing that they have very little chance of finding City guilty on the available evidence, deliberately sabotage their own investigations by breaching procedural practices,
They eventually announce that City are as guilty as it’s possible to be ever, in the history of guilty things!
CAS throw the case out for breaches of procedural practices.
UEFA shrug their shoulders and say ‘we did our best, they’re guilty but got off on a technicality’
Case closed- and City have the stain of not being completely exonerated and still very guilty in the eyes of the media and other fans.
Job done uefa.
Or am I completely mistaken?

I very much doubt. Our owners would settle for that.complete the opposite Nothing less that completely EXONERATED.& a full statement explaining no wrong doing..

 

[HelloCity]

UEFA, with the cartel breathing down their necks and knowing that they have very little chance of finding City guilty on the available evidence, deliberately sabotage their own investigations by breaching procedural practices,
They eventually announce that City are as guilty as it’s possible to be ever, in the history of guilty things!
CAS throw the case out for breaches of procedural practices.
UEFA shrug their shoulders and say ‘we did our best, they’re guilty but got off on a technicality’
Case closed- and City have the stain of not being completely exonerated and still very guilty in the eyes of the media and other fans.
Job done uefa.
Or am I completely mistaken?

You’re mistaken. Your take is more the fantasy and hopeful ‘everything will be ok-ish’ version.

 

[Blue Mist]

UEFA, with the cartel breathing down their necks and knowing that they have very little chance of finding City guilty on the available evidence, deliberately sabotage their own investigations by breaching procedural practices,
They eventually announce that City are as guilty as it’s possible to be ever, in the history of guilty things!
CAS throw the case out for breaches of procedural practices.
UEFA shrug their shoulders and say ‘we did our best, they’re guilty but got off on a technicality’
Case closed- and City have the stain of not being completely exonerated and still very guilty in the eyes of the media and other fans.
Job done uefa.
Or am I completely mistaken?

Hell, please remove your post because if UEFA read it they will realise that is exactly what they should do and go on and do it. It sums it up perfectly, everybody but City win.

 

[Blue Mist]

I very much doubt. Our owners would settle for that.complete the opposite Nothing less that completely EXONERATED.& a full statement explaining no wrong doing..

They will never get that. What happens when UEFA refuse to exonerate the club ? we go to court ? which one and that would just give the press even more ammo to shoot at us. I actually, as I have just posted, think Bodicot has got it about right.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I doubt City are going to take a climbdown of such proportions without wanting a full exoneration.

I'm intrigued ifc Uefa thought they had such an open and shut case why the upper chamber hasn't made a decision. We were led to believe by leaked reports that our guilt was practically decided. Why the enormous delay then if our appeal to CAS doesn't preclude the decision making process of the Adjuctory Chamber.

It all seems a bit odd. Even the Media have gone quiet.

I don't believe for one minute it has ever been an open and shut case for UEFA. I'm convinced those leaked reports came from one obvious source on the UEFA committee and then via a third party to selected people in the media (initially the New York Times London office). Those leaks are part of the ongoing smear campaign by one of our commercial rivals and are more about wishful thinking than any serious legal evidence. This is what Khaldoon was alluding to when he said that we when our rivals brief the media we always hear about who is doing it very quickly. The last thing UEFA wanted was this situation.

 

[kippax4ever]

They will never get that. What happens when UEFA refuse to exonerate the club ? we go to court ? which one and that would just give the press even more ammo to shoot at us. I actually, as I have just posted, think Bodicot has got it about right.

I trust in the big man Khaldoon.
What he stated previously
Khaldoon knows what been going on now for years, now it's pay back time

 

[Gray]

They will never get that. What happens when UEFA refuse to exonerate the club ? we go to court ? which one and that would just give the press even more ammo to shoot at us. I actually, as I have just posted, think Bodicot has got it about right.

Definitely go to the courts in Scotland they will agree with anything!