The Labour Party

M18CTID said:
Yeah, and when you look at the repayment terms they're not that restrictive and the interest rate is quite low. It's hardly Wonga levels
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They'd be better targeting the obscene levels of rent being charged by Universities and private landlords which impacts students and parents alike.
 
Ban-jani said:
Listen, you’re the one who started on me this morning and dished out insults. You cannot call my argument silly if you’ve not read it all.
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I called it siily before you posted any links or quotes. It's still a daft comment, links or quotes or non.
 
Where's George?

he was banging on about surrender monkey's not giving Boris (sorry, I mean the people) the election they want (or not).

Maybe this might help....

 
Rascal said:
We are in a strange position with tuition fees due to it no longer being seen as an investment in the future its now seen as a debt carried forward.

The multiplier effect of a decent education should far outweigh the investment made into it. As we desperately need a multi skilled workforce with brexit on the horizon then education is needed more than ever. It is an investment made by society in the same way as investment is made on a new airport etc.
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That's not a fat lot of use the poor sods who have to pay more taxes today. The benefits to society as a whole are something that we'd see over decades.

And given the increased tax burden on everyone, do you think it's right that people who are unable to go to university, should pay for those who do want to?
 
Rascal said:
Some prospective Labour Party policies for the upcoming election. These may be subject to change at conference

scrap hospital parking charges
Abolish zero hours contracts
End academies and free schools
1/3 of board seats for workers
lift ban on onshore wind farms
overhaul gambling regulations
Orgreave inquiry
overhaul the BBC
SAFE STANDING at football grounds
Halt NHS privatisation
Additional health visits for babies
Nationalise the national grid
Restore Nursing bursary
Extend £10 p/h to 16+ yr olds
Extend FOI to private sector
New National care service
New NATIONAL EDUCATION SERVICE
Halt arms sales to Saudi Arabia
Recognise Palestine
New rogue landlord register
Raise corporation tax to 26%
Extend free to air sports events
Overseas loan transparency act
Move part of the treasury to the North
Armed forces pledge#
Register of beneficial ownership
Interest free loans to homeowners
£5 Billion Robin Hood tax on finance
Extend abortion rights to NI
New green tech deal for the north
Abolish in work poverty
Leaseholder rights revolution
Mandatory alcohol labelling
Declare climate emergency
Nationalise rail
500.000 new council homes
NHS safe staffing ;aw
20 point workers rights deal
Childhood obesity strategy
Switch business tax to CPI
End Post Office closures
£30 pw for ESA recipients
End sure start closures
Zero emissions by 2050
400,000 green tech jobs
£8bn for social care
160,000 more home helps
Right to an infinite tenancy
£1bn for new bus routes
Free bus travel for under 25s
Not for profit buses in England
£250m Childrens health fund
£6bn extra for the NHS
Scrap WCA
1 year maternity leave
3.000 more firemen
All class sizes under 30
£3bn Mersey tidal project
War powers Act
Transgender rights
Well being Act
Ban on new Grammars
Repeal Tory NHS Act HURRAH!
£1bn Culture
2nd home tax
Ban fracking
£8bn for new schools
Restore legal aid
Renationalise Royal Mail
End badger cull
Free school meals
Restore EMA
Votes for 16 year olds
Scrap SATS
Clean Air act
Private Rent Cap
4 new public holidays
Leveson 2
Refore outsourcing
Repeal Vagrancy act
£1bn Oligarch levy
Gender pay gap act
Repeal Lobbying Act
Scrap Bedroom Tax
£3Bn pa for Education
£500 extra pa for carers
Scrap tuition fees
Crossrail for the north
New National Investment Bank
2% of GDP for defence
5% of Premier league cash for grassroots
£20bn investment bank for Scotland
Like for like replacement for Trident …..BOOOO
A new Post Office Bank
50p tax on those on over £123K
Levy on those on over £350k
Maintenance grants for students
Double apprenticeships
45p rate for £80k to £123K
Create Minister for mental Health
Violence against women commission
New Brighton mainline
Reverse capital gain tax cut
20% on private health insurance
5 year tax freeze for those on less than £80k
£100M for cold weather rough sleepers
High Street wi-fi
8,000 new homes for rough sleepers
Equal rights for gig economy workers
Free childcare for low income families
Reverse £1bn inheritance tax cut
Break up big 4 accountancy firms
Create Social justice commission
Nationalise Steel, Water , Energy and probation

Marxist cunts
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£1bn Oligarch levy hmmm
I see you missed off the repeal of TU legislation and a Union sponsored Secretary of State for Employment Rights in the Cabinet
and what's does the # mean btw? Is it something to do with banning grouse shooting?
 
Rascal said:
I have no idea mate, I despair with him.
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The stupidity of his position is made even more ridiculous, by the simple fact that there aren't the numbers in Parliament for a second referendum.

We can't have a second referendum until those numbers change and those numbers aren't changing unless we have a general election.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I called it siily before you posted any links or quotes. It's still a daft comment, links or quotes or non.
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You posted it following it too, when I mentioned the headline.

Anyway, I’m not here to squabble, I’d rather debate the specific policies, most of which are very much needed.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
It'll be interesting to see if some accusations of impropriety come his way to get him to stfu.
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I think Corbyn likes him where he is. Keep your enemies closer etc.

It’s probably good for Corbyn to have someone in his ear that represents the views of some that completely disagree with him.

Watson really shouldn’t undermine Labour’s Brexit position now though, at this stage they have a mature and sensible approach that’s fair, furthermore it’s actually clear for once.
 
Rascal said:
Good reply, the whole point of pledges such as these is to start a conversation into the why and when's etc. No manifesto appeals to everyone as no party appeals to everyone so you use your judgement as to does the good outweigh the bad and indifferent.

Overall I think you are quite positive, as I expect most people would be as its fairly radical without being extreme and its well balanced

I will put you down a Yes :))
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It's well balanced when it doesn't have any costs next to it.

What Labour fail to realise is people do not consider Corbyn or his front bench team to be competent. Coming up with such a massive list of expenditure and then putting the likes of Diane Abbott, Richard Burgon and Barry Gardner in the position of delivering is a huge turn off to many. Me included and I was a Labour voter pre Corbyn.

Labour's problems are not policy - they are the calibre of people. Corbybn as top of the list. I doubt I will vote Labour again until he is gone. Thankfully my local MP defected to TIG/Change so I have a decent alternative.
 
Chippy_boy said:
That's not a fat lot of use the poor sods who have to pay more taxes today. The benefits to society as a whole are something that we'd see over decades.

And given the increased tax burden on everyone, do you think it's right that people who are unable to go to university, should pay for those who do want to?
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Yes. If the system is run correctly, those that don't go to university benefit from an economy including those that do go to university.
 
Ban-jani said:
I think Corbyn likes him where he is. Keep your enemies closer etc.

It’s probably good for Corbyn to have someone in his ear that represents the views of some that completely disagree with him.

Watson really shouldn’t undermine Labour’s Brexit position now though, at this stage they have a mature and sensible approach that’s fair, furthermore it’s actually clear for once.
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Agree. It's normally Corbyn that has me thinking "WHY??!!" but this is a complete dick move from Watson.
 
The perfect fumble said:
You think Lewis was stitched up?
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He was stitched up in the Gordon Brown era - that is fact - the stitcher-upper admitted it.

For the latest accusation of sexual harassment, you would think the party leaders would want to speed up the process somewhat but they have chosen to address it in the same way as any other disciplinary matter. A serious accusation as such should be dealt with promptly. In the meantime he is subject to all matters of comments by followers of the Labour party.

So yes, I believe that MY representative in the HoC has been stitched up. If he is guilty, find him guilty. If not, declare it false.
 
I see the ever popular Tom Watson is arguing for a second referendum to settle Brexit before a GE. The fiction that a second referendum would settle Brexit is now being used in an attempt to delay the Labour GE defeat and his tenure in the party leadership.
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
He was stitched up in the Gordon Brown era - that is fact - the stitcher-upper admitted it.

For the latest accusation of sexual harassment, you would think the party leaders would want to speed up the process somewhat but they have chosen to address it in the same way as any other disciplinary matter. A serious accusation as such should be dealt with promptly. In the meantime he is subject to all matters of comments by followers of the Labour party.

So yes, I believe that MY representative in the HoC has been stitched up. If he is guilty, find him guilty. If not, declare it false.
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It's a moot point.

He resigned from the Labour Party in December 2018.
 
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