Another new Brexit thread

[Neville Kneville]

When it goes there will be an awful lot of things to think about before economic deals.

And we will end up having to do all the same stuff, with each country, as we will have to do now, all over again, so we suffer twice.

 

[mcfc1632]

It is down to how it is interpreted. I would say that the Soviet Union was a dictatorship as was Yugoslavia and it is as Gorby said ...The EU is a Soviet Union dressed in a Western suit.

And the EU insidiously exert and extend their power through treaties that most sovereign states do not get to vote on and those that do get a 2nd chance to bring back the right answer

 

[Blue Hefner]

I really cannot be bothered to write an essay on why I thing the EU is going to go tits up, but that is why I see us better off out of it now because ultimately I think it will meet the same fate as both the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.

Regarding domestic alternatives, I honestly cannot see how anyone could throw their hat in the ring with either Labour or Tories. Both are beyond words as to how bad they are.

In all likely hood I personally will ruin my ballot paper come the election but if forced would back Farage ahead of the others out of what is close to desperation and the hope he could not do any worse than the others.

Sorry to but in but no one is asking for an essay just a couple of examples on how a Farage led government would be better than Corbyn or Johnson - I cant think of one

For the record, I’d say a Labour/Lib Dem coalition might be the best bet for the next couple of years

Farage would do a lot worse than the rest. See what is currently happening to Johnson because he has no idea/care for Parliament and lies like other people breathe would be 10x worse under Farage - he’s a chancer who the TV/radio keep taking seriously. He should not be taken seriously

 

[denislawsbackheel]

Confirmation that post Brexit UK citizens living in the Eu apart from students, retirees and posted workers will lose access to non emergency free NHS treatment. They are only entitled through the EHIC card and it ends on exit day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/49592440

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Like a lot of people I’m lost on what’s going on now to be honest.

From what I’ve seen a Scottish court has said they can’t shut down parliament?? But two other courts said we can ?

 

[mcfc1632]

I would say the EU are approaching a politburo. At this stage no one individual would appear to be a figure head dictator. How that changes in the near future we will wait and see. It certainly cannot be held up as a shining light in democracy.

The appointments of Von der Leyden and Selmayr attest to that

 

[Fred_Quimby]

It is down to how it is interpreted. I would say that the Soviet Union was a dictatorship as was Yugoslavia and it is as Gorby said ...The EU is a Soviet Union dressed in a Western suit.

Sorry PN you obviously know sweet FA about how the Soviet Union was run. It was a group of communist states run by a politburo elected by communist members. Completely different from a dictatorship. Yugoslavia was a country run on the same lines.

As far as I was aware we all, yes even you, have an opportunity to say who runs the EU. Only certain people had the chance under a Soviet system.

 

[west didsblue]

Confirmation that post Brexit UK citizens living in the Eu apart from students, retirees and posted workers will lose access to non emergency free NHS treatment. They are only entitled through the EHIC card and it ends on exit day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/49592440

Somebody's got to pay for this control we're taking back.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Confirmation that post Brexit UK citizens living in the Eu apart from students, retirees and posted workers will lose access to non emergency free NHS treatment. They are only entitled through the EHIC card and it ends on exit day.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/49592440

Much ado over nothing. It only affects people who don't live here and who are registered for healthcare somewhere else. They should just buy travel insurance like everyone else does.

 

[purplenose]

Sorry PN you obviously know sweet FA about how the Soviet Union was run. It was a group of communist states run by a politburo elected by communist members. Completely different from a dictatorship. Yugoslavia was a country run on the same lines.

As far as I was aware we all, yes even you, have an opportunity to say who runs the EU. Only certain people had the chance under a Soviet system.

We will have to agree to disagree on that.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

We will have to agree to disagree on that.

In other words you are wrong - again.

 

[purplenose]

Sorry to but in but no one is asking for an essay just a couple of examples on how a Farage led government would be better than Corbyn or Johnson - I cant think of one

For the record, I’d say a Labour/Lib Dem coalition might be the best bet for the next couple of years

Farage would do a lot worse than the rest. See what is currently happening to Johnson because he has no idea/care for Parliament and lies like other people breathe would be 10x worse under Farage - he’s a chancer who the TV/radio keep taking seriously. He should not be taken seriously

All about opinions blue, I cannot think of anything more cataclysmic than Corbyn involved in any government. Hence I personally hold the view it would be 10 x worse under Corbyn than Farage.

 

[purplenose]

In other words you are wrong - again.

In your opinion of course. All the same I will take Gorbachev,s views on it before yours.

 

[mcfc1632]

I should stick to the abusive one liners, promoting the democratic credentials of the EU while discounting UK voters as simpletons duped by the right wing press is spreading your abilities rather thinly.

I am shocked at how EU defenders avoid looking too deeply into the appointments of Von der Leyden and Selmayr

Inconvenient?

 

[west didsblue]

All about opinions blue, I cannot think of anything more cataclysmic than Corbyn involved in any government. Hence I personally hold the view it would be 10 x worse under Corbyn than Farage.

Has it not crossed your mind that the most likely scenario leading to Corbyn as PM would be a coalition government where the other members of the coalition would be in a position to ensure that he would be unable to deliver his more extreme policies. The reality, although I really don't like Corbyn, is that the Labour manifesto at the last election did not have anything like the Marxist agenda that you imply it did. Have you read it?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

All about opinions blue, I cannot think of anything more cataclysmic than Corbyn involved in any government. Hence I personally hold the view it would be 10 x worse under Corbyn than Farage.

A laughable view to take - and i think Corbyn is a ****. Farage is a weasels **** without a shred of morality.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

In your opinion of course. All the same I will take Gorbachev,s views on it before yours.

Ah yes, Gorbachev, an ELECTED member of the politburo. Unlike a dictator of course. Not my opinion but fact.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Has it not crossed your mind that the most likely scenario leading to Corbyn as PM would be a coalition government where the other members of the coalition would be in a position to ensure that he would be unable to deliver his more extreme policies. The reality, although I really don't like Corbyn, is that the Labour manifesto at the last election did not have anything like the Marxist agenda that you imply it did. Have you read it?

True. A minority corbyn gov supported by other smaller parties would be fairly tame.

 

[smudgedj]

Like a lot of people I’m lost on what’s going on now to be honest.

From what I’ve seen a Scottish court has said they can’t shut down parliament?? But two other courts said we can ?

It’s already going to the Supreme Court and it’s doubtful they will uphold the decision of the Scottish Small Claims Court.

 

[purplenose]

Has it not crossed your mind that the most likely scenario leading to Corbyn as PM would be a coalition government where the other members of the coalition would be in a position to ensure that he would be unable to deliver his more extreme policies. The reality, although I really don't like Corbyn, is that the Labour manifesto at the last election did not have anything like the Marxist agenda that you imply it did. Have you read it?

I have listened to what Corbyn has had to say, I see people like Dianne Abbott being in the higher echelons of the Labour party and that is enough ensure I would not currently touch Labour with a shitty stick. I see a party would further cut our armed forces and quite possibly get rid of our nuclear deterrent. The labour party needs to shift back toward the centre and it may well get my vote...a return to new Labour if you like.

Make no mistake Corbyn would love to leave the EU without a deal so that he could run the country un checked. He is a dangerous individual who would do more damage to this country than ever Farage could if either were to get the chance. All the negative things said about Boris are pretty much warranted but to suggest he is far right is ridiculous and ironic given that Corbyn and much of the left leaning support are far more extreme than Boris Johnson.