Another new Brexit thread

[west didsblue]

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...a-support-former-terrorist-says-35741452.html

Are you mistaking me for a fan of Jeremy Corbyn?
Whether you are or you aren't, that's a huge deflection of the point I made about Farage.

 

[blueinsa]

Not undeliverable.

The EU will accept a new deal which includes closer ties. They have already said so.

So we wont be leaving then because membership of the SM and CU and paying into the club for the privileged isn't us leaving the EU.

That's fair enough just tell it as it is but they wont because they know the rhetoric that the country is now hugely in favour of remain isn't the case.

Politicians not being truthful seems to affect them all.

 

[west didsblue]

So we wont be leaving then because membership of the SM and CU and paying into the club for the privileged isn't us leaving the EU.

That's fair enough just tell it as it is but they wont because they know the rhetoric that the country is now hugely in favour of remain isn't the case.

Politicians not being truthful seems to affect them all.

Are you saying Norway, Switzerland, Iceland and Liechtenstein are EU members without even knowing it?

 

[blueinsa]

Are you saying Norway, Switzerland, Iceland and Liechtenstein are EU members without even knowing it?

I am saying Labour as per the memberships instructions and that of momentum will see them revoke.

 

[Rascal]

71,022 members and i can probably count on one hand those who regularly post in favour of brexit.

You are of course right though Rascal, its a den of right wingers this place.

Nice use of part of my post. Missing the point that I said "vocal"

Dont be so defensive. It was an observation not a criticism.

 

[Neville Kneville]

So we wont be leaving then because membership of the SM and CU and paying into the club for the privileged isn't us leaving the EU.

That's fair enough just tell it as it is but they wont because they know the rhetoric that the country is now hugely in favour of remain isn't the case.

Politicians not being truthful seems to affect them all.

Again you are seeing your view as 'the' view. It's not just about you, or people like you, it concerns everyone.

I have the same rights as you & I would still see it as leaving & prefer not to leave, it's not black & white as you make out.

Some who voted leave, would still see it as leaving. Many haven't got a clue about any of it so may or may not see it as leaving, depending on which politicians they believe when the bullshit starts.

 

[blueinsa]

Nice use of part of my post. Missing the point that I said "vocal"

Don't be so defensive. It was an observation not a criticism.

Thought i referred to your claim of vocal by clearly stating i could name a handful that post regularly pro brexit?

You claimed it was predominantly right wing in terms of vocal posters and i am telling you i think you are wrong.

Dont be so sensitive.

 

[west didsblue]

I am saying Labour as per the memberships instructions and that of momentum will see them revoke.

Not what you implied. You actually implied an EFTA/EEA arrangement isn't us leaving, because the countries I mentioned pay in and are members of the Single Market (Switzerland excepted who have an equivalent bilateral arrangement).

 

[blueinsa]

Again you are seeing your view as 'the' view. It's not just about you, or people like you, it concerns everyone.

I have the same rights as you & I would still see it as leaving & prefer not to leave, it's not black & white as you make out.

Some who voted leave, would still see it as leaving. Many haven't got a clue about any of it so may or may not see it as leaving, depending on which politicians they believe when the bullshit starts.

I am not discussing your view here, i am expressing what i think Labour will do.

I dont think Labour are being remotely truthful about their intentions on brexit.

 

[blueparrot]

It was decided before the first referendum that it wouldn't be binding irrespective of it's outcome eitherway, so i don't see from what perspective you could be claiming some form of hypocrisy depending on the result as you appear to do?

Personally btw. i am not in favour of non-binding referendums and as often is the case with such i think it was a matter of political dishonesty to have such a form of referendum. It should have been binding, if there was to be one in the first place atleast imho. But then again the eventuality of it being non binding also has a consequence on how i regards it's worth afterwards in relation to the decissions made by parliament legitimacy wise.

It could only be legally binding if the leave part of the question was an already agreed deal. It's not possible to have a legally binding referendum on an unknown outcome.

 

[Banned Tosspot]

Another day of Russ claiming this forum is right wing..... zzzzzzzz

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

These events have been discussed over and over...his meeting with and talking to terrorists can be construed in many ways...now firstly, i am not a fan of Corbyn but secondly, the fact that the British establishment reached out and spoke with republicans paved the way and established dialogue which eventually lead to peace.
Im not saying he was responsible for the GFA..becasue he wasnt...but his and many others efforts helped create links

This is re-inventing the facts and ignoring what Corbyn expressed as his desire, publicly, at the time, which was a united Ireland. This was, and currently still is, in complete defiance of the wishes of the majority in Northern Ireland, of which I have noted in this thread you are passionate to defend. In any event, his interference had little to no effect considering how long the bombing campaign continued afterwards. Someone who reaches out to a paramilitary group, but who also has the same expressed end result, is not enabling any processes.

It was stated earlier that people should not vote for Farage because of his connections to far right groups in other countries and so it is fair argument to suggest the same for Corbyn based on his connections to undesirable elements in the past. You cannot have it both ways.

 

[grunge]

It is predominantly right wing in the number of vocal posters.

snip

Yeah very good summary, but a forum can only be judged by the people posting. and as you say, the right have a very vocal base on here.

 

[blueparrot]

Will the second one be legally binding if you win but not if you lose again?

That's up to those drafting it not me, but if it's remain v an already agreed deal for leave then yes it should be binding. If the leave option is still a pie in the sky we'll work something out question then no it shouldn't be binding.

 

[Banned Tosspot]

Yeah very good summary, but a forum can only be judged by the people posting. and as you say, the right have a very vocal base on here.

Freedom of speech.

The far right are cunts though...

 

[Ban-jani]

I think it’s 50/50 on the forum.

I see as many right wing posts as left wing. Some times it can seem biased at certain times but I believe that’s just when there happens to be more on from either the left or right persuasion.

Brexit has definitely changed people though. The amount of people who identify as centre, left or centre left and are supporting right wing politicians and becoming more nationalist as time goes on.

 

[grunge]

This is re-inventing the facts and ignoring what Corbyn expressed as his desire, publicly, at the time, which was a united Ireland. This was, and currently still is, in complete defiance of the wishes of the majority in Northern Ireland, of which I have noted in this thread you are passionate to defend. In any event, his interference had little to no effect considering how long the bombing campaign continued afterwards. Someone who reaches out to a paramilitary group, but who also has the same expressed end result, is not enabling any processes.

It was stated earlier that people should not vote for Farage because of his connections to far right groups in other countries and so it is fair argument to suggest the same for Corbyn based on his connections to undesirable elements in the past. You cannot have it both ways.

https://www.thejournal.ie/lord-ashcroft-irish-unification-poll-4804372-Sep2019/

Poll's are swinging the other way

 

[Rascal]

Thought i referred to your claim of vocal by clearly stating i could name a handful that post regularly pro brexit?

You claimed it was predominantly right wing in terms of vocal posters and i am telling you i think you are wrong.

Dont be so sensitive.

And I am saying different.

But if you are "telling" me then it must be right. I bow to your superiority in these matters and will thrash myself accordingly.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I am not discussing your view here, i am expressing what i think Labour will do.

I dont think Labour are being remotely truthful about their intentions on brexit.

You clearly posted that a deal Labour may get, with closer ties 'is not leaving'.

That is purely your opinion as you don't see it as 'leaving' but I do & so will plenty of others.

Because some people have their view of what constitutes 'leaving' does not mean their opinion is the only worthwhile one.

Farage said a Norway style agreement would be 'leaving'. He then moved the goalposts.

Norway are not in the EU. So neither would we be.

 

[grunge]

Freedom of speech.

Never claimed other wise, and its actually pretty good to come here and have decent debate/argument with them. I was just pointing out this is ( politic's sub forum ) far more right than any other place I go.