Perhaps he thinks the duty of parliament is to enact the will of the people. The fool.Good for him, has anyone explained the concept of parliamentary democracy to him?
The law is emphatically not above the constitution, it is part of it. The current constitutional question will be settled in the Supreme Court next Tuesday, I believe it will set aside the Scottish Court of Session judgement and will rule that BoJo' s prerogation was lawful and that whether the motives for it are good or bad is a political judgement, not for the courts to decide. That will be then be the end of the matter, Parliament will return in 5 weeks and the judges will be no doubt be attacked by some Remainers as enemies of the people.You be ever so mighty but the Law is above you.
How long will this statement of constitutional intent last in this current crisis. We have the Judiciary and the Legislature fighting the Executive. Its an unseemly battle of will between our pillars of power.
I believe it is wrong to cast this as being between leave and remain, it is now far bigger than that as now it is a matter of how our own Parliament interacts between the pillars and a test of where power ultimately lies. How can it rest easy with anybody when the PM is judged to have lied to the Queen. I am no Monarchist and I believe it to be archaic but the power in theory rests with the crown, so how can the Crown act in the best interests of the people if the Crown loses trust in the Government. Is it possible we are close to seeing the end of the Monarchy, as the Monarchy is being politicised and it is its role to stand above politics? How can the power of the Crown be exercised by members of the executive who act against the interests of the Crown and in the name of a PM who has lied to the Monarch. If the Scottish Judges are correct and its judgement is upheld by the Supreme Court surely Johnson has to resign, Parliament has to be recalled and the Executive has to be held to account by the Legislature, that is the whole point of our democratic system as far as I am aware, although maybe others on here have a different opinion, because it is now way beyond my knowledge of how our unwritten constitution is supposed to work.
I am not even certain that our politicians know what happens next and that is dangerous, they have reverted to tribal loyalty just at the time when we need them to stand up for the rights of Parliament and the rights of the people to be represented in that Parliament. If the people have no representation how can we even consider ourselves a democratic nation. We are in a time of unprecedented national crisis and in my opinion Parliament should be sitting, we should have our representatives there doing what they were elected to do.
Obviously tomorrows media will be scapegoating somebody for this mess and it will not be Johnson, it will be I fear an attack on the Judiciary. The very judiciary that has a proud history of being the best in the world and being trusted as impartial. Dare we as a nation allow one of the pillars of our democracy to be trashed for a political end. Will it signal the end of the independence of the Judiciary and it will it become an extended arm of the Executive. That is a scary thought as that centralising of power in the Executive signals a move towards dictatorship. With the Legislature nullified and the Judiciary under central control the Executive then holds unlimited power and does so without recourse.
Our nation is changing before our very eyes and I don't think it is changing for the better, it is changing in ways nobody could have ever predicted and I don't care if you voted leave or remain, vote Labour, Tory, Lib Dem or Monster Raving Loony this has to stop, because if doesn't then the nation we have now will be unrecognisable in a few years time.
That scares me, I hope it scares you to and everyone says enough is enough, we just want open honest government that treats us all fairly and all as equals before the Law.
That’s not the sole duty of Parliament.Perhaps he thinks the duty of parliament is to enact the will of the people. The fool.
You be ever so mighty but the Law is above you.
How long will this statement of constitutional intent last in this current crisis. We have the Judiciary and the Legislature fighting the Executive. Its an unseemly battle of will between our pillars of power.
I believe it is wrong to cast this as being between leave and remain, it is now far bigger than that as now it is a matter of how our own Parliament interacts between the pillars and a test of where power ultimately lies. How can it rest easy with anybody when the PM is judged to have lied to the Queen. I am no Monarchist and I believe it to be archaic but the power in theory rests with the crown, so how can the Crown act in the best interests of the people if the Crown loses trust in the Government. Is it possible we are close to seeing the end of the Monarchy, as the Monarchy is being politicised and it is its role to stand above politics? How can the power of the Crown be exercised by members of the executive who act against the interests of the Crown and in the name of a PM who has lied to the Monarch. If the Scottish Judges are correct and its judgement is upheld by the Supreme Court surely Johnson has to resign, Parliament has to be recalled and the Executive has to be held to account by the Legislature, that is the whole point of our democratic system as far as I am aware, although maybe others on here have a different opinion, because it is now way beyond my knowledge of how our unwritten constitution is supposed to work.
I am not even certain that our politicians know what happens next and that is dangerous, they have reverted to tribal loyalty just at the time when we need them to stand up for the rights of Parliament and the rights of the people to be represented in that Parliament. If the people have no representation how can we even consider ourselves a democratic nation. We are in a time of unprecedented national crisis and in my opinion Parliament should be sitting, we should have our representatives there doing what they were elected to do.
Obviously tomorrows media will be scapegoating somebody for this mess and it will not be Johnson, it will be I fear an attack on the Judiciary. The very judiciary that has a proud history of being the best in the world and being trusted as impartial. Dare we as a nation allow one of the pillars of our democracy to be trashed for a political end. Will it signal the end of the independence of the Judiciary and it will it become an extended arm of the Executive. That is a scary thought as that centralising of power in the Executive signals a move towards dictatorship. With the Legislature nullified and the Judiciary under central control the Executive then holds unlimited power and does so without recourse.
Our nation is changing before our very eyes and I don't think it is changing for the better, it is changing in ways nobody could have ever predicted and I don't care if you voted leave or remain, vote Labour, Tory, Lib Dem or Monster Raving Loony this has to stop, because if doesn't then the nation we have now will be unrecognisable in a few years time.
That scares me, I hope it scares you to and everyone says enough is enough, we just want open honest government that treats us all fairly and all as equals before the Law.
Perhaps he thinks the duty of parliament is to enact the will of the people. The fool.
The law is emphatically not above the constitution.
The Referendum was designed to enable the country to vote to remain the EU, there was no plan for a different result by either side. Cameron wasn't alone in creating that situation, most MPs voted for it in the secure expectation the outcome would be as the Tory government wanted.The referendum created a conundrum as it created tensions between the electorate and their representatives, they cannot be representatives with the freedom to act and be delegates with the instruction to act.
That is the conflict that arises when you use direct democracy in a system that is atypical of representative democracy. It is counter intuitive to expect both to be possible at the same time. Especially when the direct democracy was national based and the representative democracy is constituency based.
If the referendum was conducted on a constituency basis with elected delegates under the specific instruction to act as the majority voted for then that would have worked, but it wasn't, it was an add on to the representative democratic system. In a delegate system the will of the people is easily enacted, in a representative system it is not because of the freedom to act with conscience.
This is why I find the will of the people argument so mystifying, it is simply alien to our chosen system of democracy and it pressurises MPs to act contra to their conscience. As I said they simply cannot be delegates and representatives at the same time.
"You be ever so mighty but the Law is above you." ?I didn't say it was.
It is. By representing them. If you want direct democracy, remember that your Brexit referendum would have been laughed out of the room here.Perhaps he thinks the duty of parliament is to enact the will of the people. The fool.
I'd be surprised if they are unanimous. I'd be surprised if they say that a PM without an overall majority has an unfettered power to get Parliament prorogued for as long as he likes (5 weeks? Why not 50 weeks?). I'd not be surprised if they rule that it is not unlawful for a PM to give untruthful advice to the queen. I hope they say that the Scottish court was right to find that he lied - just wrong to say it was unlawful.The law is emphatically not above the constitution, it is part of it. The current constitutional question will be settled in the Supreme Court next Tuesday, I believe it will set aside the Scottish Court of Session judgement and will rule that BoJo' s prerogation was lawful and that whether the motives for it are good or bad is a political judgement, not for the courts to decide. That will be then be the end of the matter, Parliament will return in 5 weeks and the judges will be no doubt be attacked by some Remainers as enemies of the people.
"You be ever so mighty but the Law is above you." ?
Seriously??Im on 4 very different types of forums, and this one is significantly right wing biased in comparison, well the politics sub forum anyways.
Fuck - glad I had other things to do yesterday morningOf course my post is pointless......you dont agree with it.
Voted Labour all my life yet agree that we should leave the EU as per the result of the EU ref and according to Bluemoon i am now a rabid right winger.
Compared to the other forum I post on, this place is like a Nazi party rally :))Seriously??
Please do not post the names of the other forums - I do not want to have them in my sub-conscious and accidently stray onto them
I think that there are only a few people on here that are right of what I view ay centrist compared of the significant majority that are well left of centrist
This shallow theme of making out that we are all RWNJs is getting worseI am capable of agreeing with him and millions of others from right across the political spectrum that we voted to leave the EU and leave we should.
Given that i will vote in such a way as to try and make that happen in the exact same way you will vote to remain.
The referendum created a conundrum as it created tensions between the electorate and their representatives, they cannot be representatives with the freedom to act and be delegates with the instruction to act.
That is the conflict that arises when you use direct democracy in a system that is atypical of representative democracy. It is counter intuitive to expect both to be possible at the same time. Especially when the direct democracy was national based and the representative democracy is constituency based.
If the referendum was conducted on a constituency basis with elected delegates under the specific instruction to act as the majority voted for then that would have worked, but it wasn't, it was an add on to the representative democratic system. In a delegate system the will of the people is easily enacted, in a representative system it is not because of the freedom to act with conscience.
This is why I find the will of the people argument so mystifying, it is simply alien to our chosen system of democracy and it pressurises MPs to act contra to their conscience. As I said they simply cannot be delegates and representatives at the same time.
The law is emphatically not above the constitution, it is part of it. The current constitutional question will be settled in the Supreme Court next Tuesday, I believe it will set aside the Scottish Court of Session judgement and will rule that BoJo' s prerogation was lawful and that whether the motives for it are good or bad is a political judgement, not for the courts to decide. That will be then be the end of the matter, Parliament will return in 5 weeks and the judges will be no doubt be attacked by some Remainers as enemies of the people.