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west didsblue said:
Yes but they all come up with the same overall answer.
In my opinion, the reason the gap has steadied is that the reporting of the issues hasn't changed. Most of the biggest online news sites are strongly pro-leave and tailor their coverage accordingly. If your news diet was just the Sun, Mail, Express or Telegraph you wouldn't be reading about Johnson's consistent bungling and incompetence. You'd be reading about him standing up for the people against Parliament and the EU, and about the EU being disrespectful etc..
As posted a few pages ago, the total visits to news sites favours the Leave supporting ones by around 3 to 2 when compared to Remain ones (Guardian, Mirror etc.). That has got to make a difference.
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Don't forget the Remain supporting Sun in Ireland and Scotland..
 
Vic said:
If by a 52/48 split reversal you mean Remain wins, then we try and go back to normal, once we work out what normality is.

For maximum effect we need certified leavers to decide between them whether no deal or a deal - the existing WA and backstop or whatever Johnson (or Corbyn) get agreed - should be on the ballot paper versus Remain.

Then the leavers on here would be arguing abusively with each other while the rest of us made our "Revoke now and end the madness" banners.

(I should add that I did not intend "certified" in any psychiatric sense -- but now I've thought it I'll not change it.)
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Why on earth would remain be on the ballot paper? The question surely should be no deal or a deal ?
 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
I'm not on Twitter.

I'm a business intelligence analyst so my work in interpreting data, including from survey responses, perhaps leads me to look at trends differently but I am posting as a word of caution rather than bias. I voted leave BUT I may even vote Lib Dem after they announced they will revoke but unfortunately that means my constituency is more likely to return Labour. My preference (currently) is Lib Dem, Cons, Labour in that order but until I see the final manifestos, who knows.
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Fair enough.

If that’s your preference then yes please vote LibDems.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Why on earth would remain be on the ballot paper? The question surely should be no deal or a deal ?
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Of course it should, after all, we all want to know what sort of leave position people who voted remain in the referendum would support.

But that's not their aim; they just want to stop brexit and ignore the result of the first referendum by any means necessary, not come to a compromise with leave voters. For leave voters, the compromise with remainers is to leave with a deal, instead of leaving with a clean break. For remainers, the compromise is... to remain in the EU against the wishes of over 17 million people.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Of course it should, after all, we all want to know what sort of leave position people who voted remain in the referendum would support.

But that's not their aim; they just want to stop brexit and ignore the result of the first referendum by any means necessary, not come to a compromise with leave voters. For leave voters, the compromise with remainers is to leave with a deal. For remainers, the compromise is... to remain in the EU against the wishes of over 17 million people.
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Everyone is still waiting for a deal to be proposed that is acceptable to a majority. And that deal needs to not cause the break up the union or provoke violence in NI.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Rapier like. Straight to the heart. Paxmanesque, even.

Much more powerful than responding to the point.
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I don't need to respond to the point. Anyone who has been on here for any significant length of time and has come across your attitude in numerous threads down the years, knows exactly what you're like. You seem to think this is just about your attitude towards Brexit. It isn't.
 
M18CTID said:
I don't need to respond to the point. Anyone who has been on here for any significant length of time and has come across your attitude in numerous threads down the years, knows exactly what you're like. You seem to think this is just about your attitude towards Brexit. It isn't.
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Nice red herring. The point was that you said I was contradicting myself about Brexit. Several times. My response is there above.

Have a go at it. Come on. Calling me "Dismal" is original and powerful and upsetting and all that, but you can really embarrass me now with your intellect.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Of course it should, after all, we all want to know what sort of leave position people who voted remain in the referendum would support.

But that's not their aim; they just want to stop brexit and ignore the result of the first referendum by any means necessary, not come to a compromise with leave voters. For leave voters, the compromise with remainers is to leave with a deal, instead of leaving with a clean break. For remainers, the compromise is... to remain in the EU against the wishes of over 17 million people.
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Absolutely incorrect, most remainers in here would compromise with a deal. It’s the leave voters who are pushing for no deal that are the problem.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Nice red herring. The point was that you said I was contradicting myself about Brexit. Several times. My response is there above.

Have a go at it. Come on. Calling me "Dismal" is original and powerful and upsetting and all that, but you can really embarrass me now with your intellect.
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Didsbury Dave said:
Nice red herring. The point was that you said I was contradicting myself about Brexit. Several times. My response is there above.

Have a go at it. Come on. Calling me "Dismal" is original and powerful and upsetting and all that, but you can really embarrass me now with your intellect.
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No red herring at all. Saying you'd be better off under a Johnson government is akin to saying you'd be better off if we exited the EU, because while you might've missed it Johnson wants us out - maybe even without a deal - so if you know that then why are you saying you'd be better off under a Johnson government?
 
George Hannah said:
What isn't sovereignty?
"Sovereignty is the full right and power of a governing body over itself, without any interference from outside sources or bodies" - so giving up the UK's sovereign independence to elect its own democratic government to an unelected EU federated superstate is a drawback right?
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Nope. Sovereignty is a constitutional/legal term of art with a clear and specific meaning. It refers to the state by virtue of which a person or body within a society is supreme and can in the last resort impose its will upon all other persons or bodies within that society.

In the UK that full right rests now in Parliament, as it has for over 300 years. Membership of the EU has not resulted in any loss of sovereignty, nor will exiting from the EU result in any increase in sovereignty.

I repeat the last line of my earlier post.
 
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