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flyer said:
Estimates!! Opinions!! Given by experts who may be Remainers. Give me FACTS, actual numbers that can be challenged or verified. Nobody can, because nobody knows. I've heard that Germany is racing towards a recession pretty soon. Should we remain in the EU to prop them up? I don't know, give me numbers not opinions to help me decide.
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Firstly your "£150m" was opinion. Secondly, I'll get back to you with facts 12 months after we leave.
 
There’s an unbelievable amount of anger at the moment and I too am very angry.

When was the last time we were polarised so much?
 
flyer said:
Estimates!! Opinions!! Given by experts who may be Remainers. Give me FACTS, actual numbers that can be challenged or verified. Nobody can, because nobody knows. I've heard that Germany is racing towards a recession pretty soon. Should we remain in the EU to prop them up? I don't know, give me numbers not opinions to help me decide.
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Whether we are in the EU or not is irrelevant to Germany’s position.

You don’t need numbers. If we erect trade barriers to Europe it will reduce trade and it will reduce our GDP. How much it will reduce depends on how high the barriers are. The hit to services is almost unquantifiable but is likely to be worse then the hit to goods given we run a surplus in services trade with the EU. Removing our FoM rights will impact on trade given services are in essence people and their skills.

But it’s a simple equation. The more difficult you make trade between countries the more you reduce trade and the more you reduce GDP.
 
BobKowalski said:
I’d go along with that. As this drags on, and drag on it will, more people will harden their position on no deal and also on revoke. I no longer think a deal is achievable (the Barclay speech in Madrid was the sound of a deal breathing its last) so I think attention needs to turn to what happens next because with either no deal or revoke it won’t be over. Even if by some miracle we leave with a deal it just means phase 1 is over and phase 2 (the really fraught bit) begins.

We are at a crossroad and none of the roads are easy.
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Yeah, I don't disagree although Juncker's comments yesterday seemed to indicate a deal can be done.

Given this has been going on for the last 3 and a bit years and we're still not out, I sometimes wonder if the government might've been better off just not acting on the result on June 24th 2016 and citing that it was just advisory. Sure, there would've been uproar at first - and I'd have been one of those who would've been up in arms - but most of us would be over it by now. That said, there could've been longer lasting ramifications of that such as people's faith in politics being destroyed still further.
 
George Hannah said:
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Is he a relative?
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ahh but can he grow taters, cause serious harm to a ringwraith, accompany his master up a live volcano to dispose of the ring of power, fight off a giant spider and all of the time stay cheerfully rustic? I verrrrry much doubt it George.
 
lancs blue said:
Firstly your "£150m" was opinion. Secondly, I'll get back to you with facts 12 months after we leave.
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I don't think £150m was opinion actually. Peston challenged the Boris claim that it was £390m per week (or whatever) and the 'experts' finally agreed that the true figure after rebates was £150m. £150m per week!! Just let that settle in and then consider what we could do with that.

How about this, lets leave and see how things go for a couple of years. Even if it goes totally tits up, there'll still be electricity, there'll still be water, we will survive. Who knows, we may start to ride a huge wave of prosperity and bring a better life for my kids and grand kids.

But if we've got it wrong, and our standard of life goes down, lets go back to the EU, knock on the door and say please can we come back in, even though the majority voted against you, oh and by the way are your bank details still the same as we want to hand over £150m a week again.
 
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mcfc1632 said:
Well - given that I would vote Remain before I would vote for May's deal as is - I suspect that I am proven correct
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Well I suspect there's very little that goes through your mind that you aren't able to 'prove' so this is no exception. What you do prove however is something many of us have been saying for a long time, and you have denied, and that is that leave is not one single bloc of people. You want to leave, you would rather vote remain than May's deal. I know people who desperately want to leave but would vote remain over no deal. This shite about 'the will of the 52%' is just that, shite.
 
flyer said:
I don't think £150m was opinion actually. Peston challenged the Boris claim that it was £390m per week (or whatever) and the 'experts' finally agreed that the true figure after rebates was £150m. £150m per week!! Just let that settle in and then consider what we could do with that.

How about this, lets leave and see how things go for a couple of years. E
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Right, I've let it settle in and come to the conclusion that £150m per week is around 0.25% of the UK's GDP. Best case estimates are that the UK's GDP will fall by 5% if we leave the EU without a deal, which equates to £2,800m per week.
So let's not just leave.
 
flyer said:
I don't think £150m was opinion actually. Peston challenged the Boris claim that it was £390m per week (or whatever) and the 'experts' finally agreed that the true figure after rebates was £150m. £150m per week!! Just let that settle in and then consider what we could do with that.

How about this, lets leave and see how things go for a couple of years. Even if it goes totally tits up, there'll still be electricity, there'll still be water, we will survive. Who knows, we may start to ride a huge wave of prosperity and bring a better life for my kids and grand kids.

But if we've got it wrong, and our standard of life goes down, lets go back to the EU, knock on the door and say please can we come back in, even though the majority voted against you, oh and by the way are your bank details still the same as we want to hand over £150m a week again.
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The EU contributions are around 1% of national expenditure and given what we get for it, I’d say it’s money well spent. Any money we ‘save’ will be used to bake out sectors most effected
 
west didsblue said:
Right, I've let it settle in and come to the conclusion that £150m per week is around 0.25% of the UK's GDP. Best case estimates are that the UK's GDP will fall by 5% if we leave the EU without a deal, which equates to £2,800m per week. So let's not just leave.
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I'm absolutely baffled as to how people rage against Tory austerity measures and yet wave away handing over £150m a week to the EU.

ffs £150m per week!!
 
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