The Labour Party

Hart of the Matter said:
Not sure it is my party anymore. In limbo. Plague on all their houses. But tha solves nothing and allows in the loons. Voting for the least distasteful shade of shite is all we have left...
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What was your party then?


This always confuses me, labour is a socialist/social democratic party, It's present policies are all socialist or social democratic policies.

The only change is that the economic formular is no longer geared to neo-liberalis, which really if you are labour you should be oppposing.

Progress, when influencing the party from the early 90s until 2010 purged and excluded thousands of members and CLPs and parachuted in it's own into many seat.
This isn't new what is happening, just it is the left not the right of the party at it, strange it is only when the left do it, it is seen as extremism.

Policy is spot in for anyone with labour values and policy is the main factor as to why it's my party.
 
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So Corbyn has kicked this into touch and Mommentum have told Landsman he is out of order and never sanctioned this.
 
urban genie said:
What was your party then?


This always confuses me, labour is a socialist/social democratic party, It's present policies are all socialist or social democratic policies.

The only change is that the economic formular is no longer geared to neo-liberalis, which really if you are labour you should be oppposing.

Progress, when influencing the party from the early 90s until 2010 purged and excluded thousands of members and CLPs and parachuted in it's own into many seat.
This isn't new what is happening, just it is the left not the right of the party at it, strange it is only when the left do it, it is seen as extremism.

Policy is spot in for anyone with labour values and policy is the main factor as to why it's my party.
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How did Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott etc survive the purges?
 
urban genie said:
What wa syour party then?


This always confuses me, labour is a socialist/social democratic party, It's present policies are all socialist or social democratic policies.

The only change is that the economic formular is no longer geared to neo-liberalis, which really if you are labour you should be oppposing.

Progress, when influencing the party from the early 90s until 2010 purged and excluded thousands of members and CLPs and parachuted in it's own into many sest.
This isn't new what is happening, jus tit is the left not the right of the party at it, strange it is only when the left do it, it is seen as extremism.
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I was brought up in the labour party. As a tiny child in the 60s balloons and banners and singing down our street on election days and staying up all night down at the declaration. Grew up in Liverpool and fought (literally) with militant. Was at the 85 conference and cheered as Kinnock delivered his reality check. I was due to stand in a safe council seat in Leeds in 92 but pulled out for family reasons. Believed in the new labour project until Iraq. I believed socialism needed reinventing to reflect the aspirations of a new society built on the back of a welfare state we had created. We were in danger of being left behind by being hoisted on our own success. In addition, small world socialism no longer fits the agenda in a global economy with global giants. I am compelled to fight injustice and poverty. My lifes work. The solutions are not simple. The draw towards flat earth solutions (the loons) is inevitable. We cannot escape capitalism. We have to work within it and get the most out of it for those that need it most. That has always been the socialist ideology. The intended outcomes from our policies i agree with (they are universal truths afterall) but the methodology comes across as self defeating and punitive at times. Add to this the behavour of some within and i feel disenfranchised with no voice. I would be genuinely concerned to share my identity on here for instance. There is no room for a party within a party. I thought we had established that decades ago.
 
urban genie said:
Just been said Jeremy has a counter motion that keeps watson in position and moves this deputy leader debate into future meeting but long into the future.

I think the message is probably, don't rock the boat Landsman with divisional motions, but also watson you now know your position is precarious if you don't stop being a ****
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That's about the long and the short of it.

Watson, since day one, has behaved like a member of the band playing a different tune to everyone else. Tolerated is all you can say about him, he brings nothing to the table except division, he makes irritating and pointless counter policy speeches that have no traction in the party whatsoever with the sole aim of getting them reported in the right wing press.

I can't remember when he last spoke at conference and that's because he knows he's generally loathed.

He starts up petitions to try to undermine Corbyn on a regular basis, holds meetings with small groups of MPs, not to add to the Labour Message, or even broaden it, but to blunt it.

In short, he's not even fulfilled the role of in house blairite (or in his case brownite), he's just stunk up the place with his constant sulk, only coming to life to periodically tell Corbyn to piss off, or knowingly wink at the media with "yes, they're all cunts".

Corbyn will throw him a symbolic lifeline because we can't be having this now, but he's just been told in no uncertain terms that he's fucked up for too long and the party's patience has run dry.
 
Hart of the Matter said:
I was brought up in the labour party. As a tiny child in the 60s balloons and banners and singing down our street on election days and staying up all night down at the declaration. Grew up in Liverpool and fought (literally) with militant. Was at the 85 conference and cheered as Kinnock delivered his reality check. I was due to stand in a safe council seat in Leeds in 92 but pulled out for family reasons. Believed in the new labour project until Iraq. I believed socialism needed reinventing to reflect the aspirations of a new society built on the back of a welfare state we had created. We were in danger of being left behind by being hoisted on our own success. In addition, small world socialism no longer fits the agenda in a global economy with global giants. I am compelled to fight injustice and poverty. My lifes work. The solutions are not simple. The draw towards flat earth solutions (the loons) is inevitable. We cannot escape capitalism. We have to work within it and get the most out of it for those that need it most. That has always been the socialist ideology. The intended outcomes from our policies i agree with (they are universal truths afterall) but the methodology comes across as self defeating and punitive at times. Add to this the behavour of some within and i feel disenfranchised with no voice. I would be genuinely concerned to share my identity on here for instance. There is no room for a party within a party. I thought we had established that decades ago.
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But we have had a party within a party when progress took hold and control a d the left wing of the party stayed quiet and backed it, as I posted earlier, I believe the welflfare vote just after the 2015 election defeat stopped that as it was decided enough was enough with Labour MP voting for it.

I have experience with the left wing cranks from and early age and when my dad was on strike at GEC, so I know what complete dicks they are, I fuck dislike lots of left wing groups because they are just that, dicks, but Jeremy is well well to the right of them and party policy now is better than it was for a long time.
The purges and in fighting has been there always but never made such headlines or was of any national interest as much since kinocks time.

On capitalism and dealing with a capitalist world, even marx accepted that that was the main economic system and socialism would have to work with it, hoping an eventual outcome would be for socialism to replace it, so I am fine with us having to adapt to suit the global world, neo-liberalism was not the answer though and I do believe that this is why the backlsh against new labour types finally happened.
 
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urban genie said:
But we have had a party within a party when progress took hold and control a d the left wing of the party stayed quiet and backed it, as I posted earlier, I believe the welflfare vote just after the 2015 election defeat stopped that as it was decided enough was enough with Labour MP voting for it.

I have experience with the left wing cranks from and early age and when my dad was on strike at GEC, so I know what complete dicks they are, I fuck dislike lots of left wing groups because they are just that, dicks, but Jeremy is well well to the right of them and party policy now is better than it was for a long time.
The purges and in fighting has been there always but never made such headlines or was of any national interest as much since kinocks time.

On capitalism and dealing with a capitalist world, even marx accepted that that was the main economic system and socialism would have to work with it, hoping an eventual outcome would be for socialism to replace it, so I am fine with us having to adapt to suit the global world, neo-liberalism was not the answer though and I do believe that this is why the backlsh against new labour types finally happened.
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Is this guy for real?
 
Policy to be discussed this week, women and the monthly curse, statement in the BBC:

“Under Ms Butler's plans, companies with more than 250 employees would also be required to train managers on the effects of the menopause so they can accommodate the needs of employees.

The MP said: "Together we must end the stigma and ensure that no woman is put at a disadvantage, from menstruation to menopause."
 
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Jezzer currently saddling up to ride to his mate Tom's rescue from them darned Momentumists - will he get there in time......?
If he doesn't they can at last say he tried lol
 
All the faux outrage at the attempt to oust Watson is laughable if seen alongside his position when corbyn faced leadership challenges. When corbyn first became leader I thought the appointment of Watson was a decent attempt to unite the party with a more centrist figure, but he's become an absolute weasel in the last couple of years.
 
urban genie said:
I dunno, all very cloak and dagger not sure who he thinks is reading this batshit forum though to worry about being outed.
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Your either naive or are not active in your local party. Perhaps your local party is like a knitting group? Some are a tad more passionate. I have been physically attacked and threatened over the years. not sure the hard left ever suffered that level of intimidation from Blairites...
 
Hart of the Matter said:
Your either naive or are not active in your local party. Perhaps your local party is like a knitting group? Some are a tad more passionate. I have been physically attacked and threatened over the years. not sure the hard left ever suffered that level of intimidation from Blairites...
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My local CLP gets itself suspended from time to time so we are passionate enough.

And naive? Fuck off, I know what I experienced and know that all parts of labour act the **** at times, you seem to only see on side at fault which I would say is naive
 
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cibaman said:
Difficult to see how the tories can form a government if they lose their Scottish seats and the ones they took from the Lib Dem’s in 2015
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I believe that it would be a government similar to the present one, ie; no majority, unless the Tories join with
Brexit. Whilst the Lib position should get gains from the remain Tories, there is the uncomfortable fact for Labour
that they too will lose to them, Labour leavers are very pissed off with Corbyn's constant dithering, and the ambiguous
and constantly changing position, and the only
parties offering what they want are the Tories and the BP, tories are a no no, so BP it will be.
 
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