I've just fucking explained it to you for fucks sake.
'You' as in NOBODY will get away with this. Leave or remain, it doesn't matter, if you go down this road you end up winning badly or losing badly.
Your side seems to think that leaving will somehow be different, & easier, because it had a narrow majority some years ago.
It all starts again, whether we leave or remain. It will probably get worse as more resentment sets in.
Well all this shit, costing the country billions, families to argue, jobs to be lost, is so far just about the agreement to BEGIN talks.
It will have to be some kind of raging success, to smooth over what happens next. Seeing as even those behind it are now scared to predict that, then how long before we have angry leave voters complaining about being sold a bag of shit, after leaving ?
Does it suit the extreme right & left, to smooth this over afterwards, or is their cause better served by dividing further ?
What’s the other solution?I take your point about it being acrimony either way. It does seem a little convenient to say the least that the only possible solution you can see just happens be what you wanted to happen anyway.
Exactly.Norway it is then.
Much better than May's deal.
Exactly.
A compromise that most on both sides would grudgingly accept is what should be being pursued but the ideologues in power aren’t interested.
Full employment, better economy than Germany but still in the EU. Why are we leaving? Seems to be more to do with inequality and austerity than the EU, but people who voted leave because of those two things are putting their faith in men who believe fervently in those two things. It cannot end well.It’s not costing the country billions , save for our ongoing contribution
Our economy is performing better than Germany’s and they don’t have this issue
Costing jobs ? , the number of people in work has never been higher and our unemployment rate is lower than across the Eu . Why do you think so many people want to come here to live - jobs
I can imagine there would be arguments in your family .
And you should be happy that over 3 years since the referendum we are still in the Eu and it could still be the case in a year from now .
Would you support a Norway style EEA/EFTA Brexit?The indicative votes showed exactly why this parliament has let us all down as nothing got a majority, nothing.
The ideologues on both sides are to blame.
Would you support a Norway style EEA/EFTA Brexit?
In total the Treasury has allocated £4.2 billion towards government departments for Brexit preparations since 2016, which breaks down as:It’s not costing the country billions , save for our ongoing contribution
Our economy is performing better than Germany’s and they don’t have this issue
Costing jobs ? , the number of people in work has never been higher and our unemployment rate is lower than across the Eu . Why do you think so many people want to come here to live - jobs
I can imagine there would be arguments in your family .
And you should be happy that over 3 years since the referendum we are still in the Eu and it could still be the case in a year from now .
So we stick to talking about ones that would get even less support and would fuck up the country.Yep but as i just said, the SNP wont, neither will change uk or whatever name they go by or the Lib Dems or PC or the ERG and sizeable numbers of Cons and Labour.
There is zero point in even discussing these options anymore with this parliament.
The resentment is in and will never go now.
Parliament has let us all down and can answer for it at the next GE.
The above doesnt mean we revoke though as if its some sort of cure all that will bring us all together.
You took part in democracy, a referendum and had you won you would have expected, rightly so to remain.
I expect the same democratic standards that is all.
Full employment, better economy than Germany but still in the EU. Why are we leaving? Seems to be more to do with inequality and austerity than the EU, but people who voted leave because of those two things are putting their faith in men who believe fervently in those two things. It cannot end well.
Would you support a Norway style EEA/EFTA Brexit?
So we stick to talking about ones that would get even less support and would fuck up the country.
It’s not costing the country billions , save for our ongoing contribution
Our economy is performing better than Germany’s and they don’t have this issue
Costing jobs ? , the number of people in work has never been higher and our unemployment rate is lower than across the Eu . Why do you think so many people want to come here to live - jobs
I can imagine there would be arguments in your family .
And you should be happy that over 3 years since the referendum we are still in the Eu and it could still be the case in a year from now .
And had we 'won' , Farage & the ERG would have said 'we go again' & immediately started on with 'It's too close to call' etc. If we have one now, it may be reversed & then they will continue just the same if it is reversed.
I didn't 'take part' in a referendum, I attempted to stop my rights to travel & work from being taken away from me.
If they are taken away, I then begin the fight to get them back.
And the Withdrawal Agreement passing through, is the beginning of the shit, not the end.
The interesting thing in this thread, has been the ongoing threat of how leavers might react, if they don't get their result.
The EU choice for us (failing cancelling Brexit altogether) we still pay extortionate amounts for access to their market and can't trade independently with countries outside the EU on better terms than they do. That's better?Norway it is then.
Much better than May's deal.
In total the Treasury has allocated £4.2 billion towards government departments for Brexit preparations since 2016, which breaks down as:
This is not all the money that the government plans to spend on Brexit—as some departments’ pre-existing budgets will be used for Brexit preparation too.
https://fullfact.org/europe/whats-cost-preparing-brexit/
So that’s you, blueinsa and MB who would accept it. Myself, NevNev and BJ have all previously said similar. That only leaves the Brextremists like Corporal Jones and 1632 who wouldn’t have it.I would
Im not Farage or the ERG.
Had remain won by one single vote that would have been the end of the matter as far as i am concerned.
Anything other than that I'm not arsed about discussing, honestly, especially the bit at the end because its seemingly your wishful thinking, so much so you went off in a rant about it in another thread earlier and basically fabricated things to suit which wasn't really on.
Leave voters however have not had to be vocal so far as they expect and rightly so for us to leave as per the result.
I've little doubt though if we dont, then protest will start and surely you will supportive of that in a democracy given your own fight as you put it?