Bernardo Silva tweet controversy

[BosnianBlue]

I was expecting Mendy to write something about this in Bernardo's defence, but I guess club banned them of adding anything more.

 

[cityontheup]

I hate to break this to you but maybe, just maybe, it’s because Coronation Street isn’t real and the person who played the character was, ahem, just acting? I mean, was Helen Worth ever pulled up when her character Gail Tilsley made homophobic comments towards Todd Grimshaw after he made a pass at her son?

The character Mendy is compared to is also not real, the point I am trying to make is there appears to be a different definition of racism when it is a white person to a black/Asian than it is if it is an black/Asian against a white person.
A family member of mine works in the emergency services in Oldham and most attacks are Asian on white but these are not reported as race crimes. Unfortunately the majority of us have to walk on egg shells so not to upset the minority!

 

[BosnianBlue]

The character Mendy is compared to is also not real, the point I am trying to make is there appears to be a different definition of racism when it is a white person to a black/Asian than it is if it is an black/Asian against a white person.
A family member of mine works in the emergency services in Oldham and most attacks are Asian on white but these are not reported as race crimes. Unfortunately the majority of us have to walk on egg shells so not to upset the minority!

We know what argument you are trying to use but you are wrong and don't make sense at all. I am 100% sure you heard the word ****** many, many more times in movies than you've heard white trash. It's because that's what the art is about - to raise the issue sometimes and to depict that kind of people who used those words. Unless they are actually promoting those characters in good light, they are doing a job for society that you obviously fail to realize and understand.

 

[swinton blue]

If mendy wasnt offended by it who the tweet was meant for why should other people be offended for mendy

 

[sir baconface]

What annoys me is conflating something that’s gauche and insensitive (Bernardo’s Post) to something that’s deliberate and nasty (the alleged treatment of the Dover lad).

 

[Innsbruckblue]

Growing up in Fallowfield, I had mates of all colours. My best mate was as black as you could be. I called him chocolateman, he called me cornflake. Neither of us, or our families, ever took offence. The world‘s gone mad!

 

[AliBobbyJ]

As an only slightly relevant aside to all this it shows how far things have changed to remember this from long ago. During a rugby league match at my native Swinton the famous Wigan winger Billy Boston (Welsh, black, built like a prop forward & fast with it) was getting fearsome abuse from a loudmouth in the crowd, a local character called Eric. After about an hour of it Boston came over the wall, spitting mad,and chased Eric along the terraces. That was real racism, and real anger by the player on the end of it, but no one else made anything of it and Eric was back in his spot for the next match.

 

[Metalartin]

The character Mendy is compared to is also not real, the point I am trying to make is there appears to be a different definition of racism when it is a white person to a black/Asian than it is if it is an black/Asian against a white person.
A family member of mine works in the emergency services in Oldham and most attacks are Asian on white but these are not reported as race crimes. Unfortunately the majority of us have to walk on egg shells so not to upset the minority!

I suppose it's a bit like Pepe the Frog, he has been used as a symbol to champion those with Autism, the Kekistani thing(I don't really understand that one), Hong Kong protests more recently.

He has also been appropriated by the far right and white supremacist's and now those are the only two choices it can mean to some. They go as far as looking for any use of Pepe the frog from someone's past social media posts, as a means to label them racist or far right, depending on what they are arguing about.

 

[sir baconface]

I was just going off the BBC News report in the link.

As I said, it must have been bad, but I guess “racial abuse” is now a simple blanket statement for “Believe us, it was racist and it was bad!” and I’m not good with that. I will judge for myself, because too many people have a hair trigger on faux outrage.

Another report said monkey chants were involved. As I say, though, if it was enough to shake an otherwise robust lad, it doesn’t look good.

 

[HarrytheBlue]

And how do you know we havn`t ?

I didn't say we haven't. I just hope we have.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

We know what argument you are trying to use but you are wrong and don't make sense at all. I am 100% sure you heard the word ****** many, many more times in movies than you've heard white trash. It's because that's what the art is about - to raise the issue sometimes and to depict that kind of people who used those words. Unless they are actually promoting those characters in good light, they are doing a job for society that you obviously fail to realize and understand.

Seriously. you have to use that word?

 

[HarrytheBlue]

Give me a fucking break, if it was a Liverpool or united player and it was between two friends and I understood context, then I would be saying the same god damned thing. I fucking hate outrage culture, where one mistake can ruin you. Was this a dumb tweet, yes, was it racist, lol, no. Mendy isn’t taking any offense to it, he apologized, end of story. I’m Hispanic and I have friends of every race and none of are in any way racist, but we make stereotypical racially insensitive jokes to each, but we know they are jokes and we laugh our behinds off at them. Silva should not have posted this on SM in today’s pussy culture climate, but it’s really much to do about nothing.

We all might hate outrage culture, but we're talking about England here, not Spain or Portugal (different cultures). Two mates having a laugh and meaning no offence - we all know that. Something the club could do without. As well as being a monstrously good footballer, he's a hell of a nice guy, highly intelligent with a better command of English than all the English Liverpool and United players put together.

 

[Blue Mist]

If mendy wasnt offended by it who the tweet was meant for why should other people be offended for mendy

Me. I have decided that I want, no need to be offended by something and as nothing else has happened today, I was at the allotment on my own, I feel I am entitled to be offended by this. If you try and stop me it will show you are bullying me, whilst I may not be that bothered by your bullying I am sure others will be. so just be very careful with what you say to me.

Oh I think I have just bullied you, who do I report myself to ?

 

[The Stockport Iniesta]

If mendy wasnt offended by it who the tweet was meant for why should other people be offended for mendy

Because nowadays to many people like to stick their nose into other peoples business.

 

[Barcon]

Growing up in Fallowfield, I had mates of all colours. My best mate was as black as you could be. I called him chocolateman, he called me cornflake. Neither of us, or our families, ever took offence. The world‘s gone mad!

Why cornflake?

 

[hammocity]

Seriously. you have to use that word?

Rappers use it all the time, as does Tarantino in several movies. It’s offensive but it’s also used as a parody to expose the bigotry within society, I don’t think Bosnianblue has any racist intentions with that post.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Yes it probably should have been kept as a private joke amongst friends(Whatsapp?) but that's only because of the way things are theses days, which is wrong in itself to just accept it as the way it is. "He's stupid because people are mental, nosey, sanctimonious arseholes these days".

I suppose there is no privacy when you're that famous though. It's not right but it's one of the prices they pay for all that wealth and adulation they normally get.

There’s no privacy when you post something on twitter, to be fair, not because you’re famous.

 

[kalouk]

My husband who is black has been getting more and more pissed off about this as the day has gone because he thinks that the reaction to this sets the fight against racism back.
He's pissed off with organisations like Kick it Out and the FA trying to look as they are doing something about racism by looking into trivia like this. There is plenty of real racism out there but this is what they decide needs investigating if Kick it Out is "shocked" by this then they need to get out in the real world. He believes that if they make Bernardo go on some sort of course he should tell them to do one as it is a token gesture and he would be labelling himself as a racist who has to be saved by people who know better because they are offended but have never suffered real racism themselves. In his opinion for every person having a touch of the vapours on twitter there are people who took no offence at all who decides who is right or as he so charmingly put it "Don't speak for me and tell me what I should be fucking offended by". He really is fuming.

p.s. Just realised how hard it is to write someone else's view point so excuse the way the post reads.

 

[cleavers]

The notion of a ban seems a bit far-fetched, and wishful thinking on behalf of rival fans.

Pointless too, as we've often managed quite well without him anyway.

 

[hammocity]

We all might hate outrage culture, but we're talking about England here, not Spain or Portugal (different cultures). Two mates having a laugh and meaning no offence - we all know that. Something the club could do without. As well as being a monstrously good footballer, he's a hell of a nice guy, highly intelligent with a better command of English than all the English Liverpool and United English players put together.

Spot on pal, great post.