The Conservative Party

Is it not true, that the greatest achievement of the Tory government in Britain is convincing working class people that the poor are the problem and taxing them further, not the rich, is the answer?

Of course they have.

Divide and rule is a Tory mantra, keep the poor in their place, keep them undereducated, keep them desperate for housing, keep them desperate for work and the Capitalist class win, win, win.

The UK is one of the most unequal societies on the planet and yet the rich want more, that is the real politics of envy, they want everything and they don't want the poor to have anything. It is class war waged on the working class by the Capitalist elite.
 
This is our countries Prime Minster acting in a corrupt matter.

Yet the forums Tories have ignored it and are busy calling the Labour Party Marxists etc in the other thread.

Shame on you.

All the Tory gobshites know that bungs are not an aberration, corruption is integral to the workings of capitalism. The reactionary little fuckers don't come out and say it because that would be airing their dirty laundry in public, but they all know it and therefore accept it, it's the way it is, for them it's move along nothing to see, it's not like it doesn't happen 24/7, everyone knows that, but it's best kept on the QT and on this occasion someone's dropped a bollock.
 
No, the argument that taxing people less, allowing entrepreneurs who take risks to create and grow businesses, to benefit from that risk taking by creating a low tax, low regulation economy, benefits the poor because these people create jobs and contribute greatly to the wealth of the nation, which in turn creates income for the government to invest in vital public services.
As opposed to the politics of envy, raising taxes which discourages entrepreneurship, reduces growth, kills jobs and badly impacts the least well off, as jobs and opportunities are denied to them.
This isn’t a battle of good versus evil, it’s a battle between those who want to increase the country’s wealth in order to improve the plight of the poor, and those who want to stifle the human desire to better their circumstances and those of their children, and in the process stifle the ability the help the less well off in society.
That was a party political broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party.
 
No, the argument that taxing people less, allowing entrepreneurs who take risks to create and grow businesses, to benefit from that risk taking by creating a low tax, low regulation economy, benefits the poor because these people create jobs and contribute greatly to the wealth of the nation, which in turn creates income for the government to invest in vital public services.
As opposed to the politics of envy, raising taxes which discourages entrepreneurship, reduces growth, kills jobs and badly impacts the least well off, as jobs and opportunities are denied to them.
This isn’t a battle of good versus evil, it’s a battle between those who want to increase the country’s wealth in order to improve the plight of the poor, and those who want to stifle the human desire to better their circumstances and those of their children, and in the process stifle the ability the help the less well off in society.
But your's is not some theoretical fantasy.

It is a view evidenced by the continual success of capitalist economies, in very stark contrast to the abject failure of pretty much every hard left socialist economy over the last 100 years.

That the likes of Rascal *continue* to fail to recognise this, really beggars belief.
 
No, the argument that taxing people less, allowing entrepreneurs who take risks to create and grow businesses, to benefit from that risk taking by creating a low tax, low regulation economy, benefits the poor because these people create jobs and contribute greatly to the wealth of the nation, which in turn creates income for the government to invest in vital public services.
As opposed to the politics of envy, raising taxes which discourages entrepreneurship, reduces growth, kills jobs and badly impacts the least well off, as jobs and opportunities are denied to them.
This isn’t a battle of good versus evil, it’s a battle between those who want to increase the country’s wealth in order to improve the plight of the poor, and those who want to stifle the human desire to better their circumstances and those of their children, and in the process stifle the ability the help the less well off in society.
How do google and amazon help poor people?
 
And a good one as well.

Have you seen the polls lately?
Very good. :-)
I'd suggest where the present government wants to go is beyond regulation and doesn't have much concern about who might get hurt.
I think a fairer society probably lies somewhere between the capitalism laid out in that party political broadcast and socialism in Rascal's manifesto.
 
No, the argument that taxing people less, allowing entrepreneurs who take risks to create and grow businesses, to benefit from that risk taking by creating a low tax, low regulation economy, benefits the poor because these people create jobs and contribute greatly to the wealth of the nation, which in turn creates income for the government to invest in vital public services.
As opposed to the politics of envy, raising taxes which discourages entrepreneurship, reduces growth, kills jobs and badly impacts the least well off, as jobs and opportunities are denied to them.
This isn’t a battle of good versus evil, it’s a battle between those who want to increase the country’s wealth in order to improve the plight of the poor, and those who want to stifle the human desire to better their circumstances and those of their children, and in the process stifle the ability the help the less well off in society.
You are assuming however that the 'entrepreneurs' take risks, when very often it is the public sector that actually takes the risk via public funded research. The entrepreneurs come in once the actual risk has been made, make a shit load of money off that public investment and paying very little tax on it (a perfect example of this is the tech industry). This is an area covered in depth in mariana mazzucato's recent book which everyone who cares about this should read.
 
No, the argument that taxing people less, allowing entrepreneurs who take risks to create and grow businesses, to benefit from that risk taking by creating a low tax, low regulation economy, benefits the poor because these people create jobs and contribute greatly to the wealth of the nation, which in turn creates income for the government to invest in vital public services.
As opposed to the politics of envy, raising taxes which discourages entrepreneurship, reduces growth, kills jobs and badly impacts the least well off, as jobs and opportunities are denied to them.
This isn’t a battle of good versus evil, it’s a battle between those who want to increase the country’s wealth in order to improve the plight of the poor, and those who want to stifle the human desire to better their circumstances and those of their children, and in the process stifle the ability the help the less well off in society.
Ah, the trickle down theory.
 
Google it ;)
I’m just curious as they are good examples of entrepreneurs being able to amass great wealth. In your post you claim that’s good because they help poor people. How do they? I’ve picked those two but you could add dyson and a fuck load of other businesses in. Once they get that wealth they become expert at keeping it. If they paid tax like they should then your theory works however they don’t. So it’s a pile of crap. That’s what google said anyway.
 
No, the argument that taxing people less, allowing entrepreneurs who take risks to create and grow businesses, to benefit from that risk taking by creating a low tax, low regulation economy, benefits the poor because these people create jobs and contribute greatly to the wealth of the nation, which in turn creates income for the government to invest in vital public services.
Sounds great, which country is it that gets these results? A Scandinavian one perhaps?

It can't be the UK because the gap between the wealthiest and the poorest is widening again and public services (most of which are now private) are going down the pan for lack of investment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47370739

I believe there's a place for properly regulated capitalism to produce economic wealth provided there's a framework of government policies that underpins social cohesion and protects the poor and vulnerable. The current Tory government does none of this.
 
Sounds great, which country is it that gets these results? A Scandinavian one perhaps?

It can't be the UK because the gap between the wealthiest and the poorest is widening again and public services (most of which are now private) are going down the pan for lack of investment.

Ahem, "
Vibrant rail sector makes the UK an attractive home for overseas investors
The UK currently has a national rail infrastructure pipeline worth £88 billion, which is the greatest investment in the sector in over a century."
https://www.globalrailwayreview.com/article/73870/uk-rail-sector-attract-investors/

Water sector set to invest £50bn in 2020-25
The water industry has revealed plans to spend more than £50 billion between 2020 and 2025 – a 13 per cent increase on the current five-year period.
https://utilityweek.co.uk/water-sector-set-invest-50-billion-2020-25/

Investment
The energy sector is a big contributor to the UK economy and invest in low carbon technologies to optimise the system.

... In 2017 our Energy in the UK report shows an increase in the number of projects within the energy sector up to 108 projects from 96 in 2016. Some key findings include:
  • The energy sector created £83.7bn in economic activity during 2017
  • The industry delivered £12.6bn of investment during 2017
https://www.energy-uk.org.uk/energy-industry/investment.html

Seems the biggest areas for lack of investment are the state-owned ones.
 
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Very good. :-)
I'd suggest where the present government wants to go is beyond regulation and doesn't have much concern about who might get hurt.
I think a fairer society probably lies somewhere between the capitalism laid out in that party political broadcast and socialism in Rascal's manifesto.

Rascal is a full blown communist, makes no apologies about it and good on him for having a strong mindset.
 
I think that is a fair assumption. I wish I had never voted for Blair and those deaths are ultimately the responsibility of everyone who put him into power so he could lie to the country and be the Bush poodle.

Not really fella the Tories would have done the same, unless a manifesto has we will go to war with Iraq I think one needn’t fret, the analogy is a poor one we all know through experience that he Tories ain’t any good with people that don’t provide what they see as a valuable function. Mental health, disabilities are always going to be way down on their arsed list.
 
Seems the biggest areas for lack of investment are the state-owned ones.
You mean those the government is responsible for? The Education system for one has been squeezed relentlessly for years and even if the promised £20bn funding from Johnson materialises it only takes the system roughly back to where it was before austerity, it's the same for the police and the 20,000 extra officers, after around 26,000 were culled during austerity.
 
I believe there's a place for properly regulated capitalism to produce economic wealth provided there's a framework of government policies that underpins social cohesion and protects the poor and vulnerable. The current Tory government does none of this.

That’s exactly what the last Labour government did and it was the best government in my lifetime, and I’m 49.
 

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