Prorogation - Judgment Day:10.30am Tuesday 24/9/19

They failed to fall for Boris’s trap of forcing through a no deal during an election campaign, by not allowing parliament to act.
The minute that deadline of Oct 31st is over, it’ll be full steam ahead to get those rotten fascist cunts out of Downing St.
The Extension Act had already received royal assent. Labour's extremists know they have no chance of winning a GE and their sole intention is to destabilise the democratic process and they have succeeded by politicizing the courts and further polarizing the country.
 
The pivotal issue is that Parliament handed over their supervision of the executive to the courts by failing to allow a GE.
No they didn’t.
Had they agreed a GE, Parliament would have been suspended for the election campaign making it impossible for Parliamentary scrutiny of the executive in the run up to 31 Oct, so Johnson tried to avoid scrutiny anyway by unlawfully proroguing. It was much more important for Parliament to be in session during this period than having a GE. A GE can wait until Brexit is sorted properly.
 
Fucking hell Nicholas Soames on Newsnight looks broken - he can't believe what is happening in his beloved Tory party
 
This has been a very active thread, which has suitably chronicled the events of the day, but I'm somewhat troubled as to why very few posters appear willing to unequivocally characterise our Prime Minister as a ****.

I like to place great emphasis on the fact he is a **** at every available opportunity.

My reasoning for him being a **** is simple, he thought he was above the law and could act in a despotic manner because he is a narcissistic lying **** whose immorality alone should have disbarred him from holding high office of any kind in any place at any time and that includes being head of my local chapter of the massive **** society. The man is unfit to be in office and is only there because of his inherent superiority complex and his selfish self-entitled crassness. I struggle to think of one facet of his demeanour that I find appealing, he has demeaned the office of PM, humiliated the country, couldn't win an egg and spoon race against a blind paraplegic with an phobia of eggs and his oafish clown act is an embarrassment, I would rather spend a week licking Lou Macari's soiled underpants clean than listen to his pathetic undecipherable rhetorical flourishes and just in case I have not mentioned it previously, he is a massive **** who would stand out in a Wembley stadium sized crowd of cunts.

The ****
 
I like to place great emphasis on the fact he is a **** at every available opportunity.

My reasoning for him being a **** is simple, he thought he was above the law and could act in a despotic manner because he is a narcissistic lying **** whose immorality alone should have disbarred him from holding high office of any kind in any place at any time and that includes being head of my local chapter of the massive **** society. The man is unfit to be in office and is only there because of his inherent superiority complex and his selfish self-entitled crassness. I struggle to think of one facet of his demeanour that I find appealing, he has demeaned the office of PM, humiliated the country, couldn't win an egg and spoon race against a blind paraplegic with an phobia of eggs and his oafish clown act is an embarrassment, I would rather spend a week licking Lou Macari's soiled underpants clean than listen to his pathetic undecipherable rhetorical flourishes and just in case I have not mentioned it previously, he is a massive **** who would stand out in a Wembley stadium sized crowd of cunts.

The ****
He’s managed the impossible though. He’s made me nostalgic for May. Even her fawning over Trump and ludicrous dancing at the Tory conference aren’t a patch on the embarrassment that Johnson has brought to this country.
 
- Brendan O'Neill of Spiked .

He is another self important **** but at least he makes me laugh because behind his façade of intellectualism he is actually just a fucking clown with a gob who talks complete and utter shit about every subject I have ever seen him talk about. The silly **** describes himself as a leftist libertarian, which is short hand for silly ****.
 
He’s managed the impossible though. He’s made me nostalgic for May. Even her fawning over Trump and ludicrous dancing at the Tory conference aren’t a patch on the embarrassment AND SHAME that Johnson has brought to this country.

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The Extension Act had already received royal assent. Labour's extremists know they have no chance of winning a GE and their sole intention is to destabilise the democratic process and they have succeeded by politicizing the courts and further polarizing the country.
Pesky Labour extremists like John Major?
 
The Extension Act had already received royal assent. Labour's extremists know they have no chance of winning a GE and their sole intention is to destabilise the democratic process and they have succeeded by politicizing the courts and further polarizing the country.

I want to thank you George.

Whenever I need to know what excuses the lunatic right are presently using, to blame everyone other than themselves, for the latest shit storm they've created, I always look to your posts.

You're a goddam public service!
 
He is another self important **** but at least he makes me laugh because behind his façade of intellectualism he is actually just a fucking clown with a gob who talks complete and utter shit about every subject I have ever seen him talk about. The silly **** describes himself as a leftist libertarian, which is short hand for silly ****.
An unreformed Trot now plying his trade in a different part the same continuum. What I still cannot comprehend is that the Tories are so stupefyingly incompetent as to make Labour's conference look like a success.
 
I consider (some reletive chance?) he may be about to receive more symbolic stabs in the back than the last one that try'd to ceasa'r it like him. Some analysis i heard made sense when it argued that no cabinet member or backbencher would nessecarily jump to the defense of Bojo now, and issolated as he is then it's actually good timing for a new internal leadership struggle?

Et tu, Mogg?
Wake up Moggy I think I've got somethin to say to you
It's late September and you tories are taking us all for fools
But we won't stand for it
Treating us all like sh*t
Oh Moggy we're gonna give you a rough ri-i-ide
 
An unreformed Trot now plying his trade in a different part the same continuum. What I still cannot comprehend is that the Tories are so stupefyingly incompetent as to make Labour's conference look like a success.

Great is it not.

After Jeremy's magnificent speech today the Labour party are back in business with great policies that the general public will fall in love it, meanwhile the Tories are behaving like a class full of delinquent 5 year olds whose dinner was spiked with LSD.
 
What that summary from Lord Simption that George put up seems to be saying to me, is that parliament is Sovereign and today’s ruling reasserts the power of parliament.
A referendum is not compatible with a Sovereign parliament, to decide an issue that would require parliament to create laws or policies that would enable a result from a referendum.

Basically a referendum result is an indication of opinion in the public at a point in time and is doesn’t take into account how a parliament will need to proceed afterwards.
i.e it is indicative. parliament must be Sovereign.

That’s what I got out of it anyway. It’s your system but I’m starting to understand it better. I’m not sure most of your electorate do.

Now here’s a scenario, no matter how unlikely.

Boris tried to stop parliament from sitting basically remove it’s power, to try and force the issue.
He drew his die in the ditch, line in the sand, to mix metaphors.

What happens if Soames and the rest back him to stAy as PM and sort it, as Soames said himself on Newsnight, but instead of either asking for an extension or negotiating a deal he decided to become a martyr and goes to prison.
That would cement his Brexiters support but would also leave little time to get another government together and get a deal with the 31st looming.
Who sends the extension letter to the EU.
You could still stumble out of the EU and Boris would be a hero and likely be voted in again in a GE... from his prison cell.

Wouldn’t be the first MP elected from gaol would it?
 
What that summary from Lord Simption that George put up seems to be saying to me, is that parliament is Sovereign and today’s ruling reasserts the power of parliament.
A referendum is not compatible with a Sovereign parliament, to decide an issue that would require parliament to create laws or policies that would enable a result from a referendum.

Basically a referendum result is an indication of opinion in the public at a point in time and is doesn’t take into account how a parliament will need to proceed afterwards.
i.e it is indicative. parliament must be Sovereign.

That’s what I got out of it anyway. It’s your system but I’m starting to understand it better. I’m not sure most of your electorate do.

Now here’s a scenario, no matter how unlikely.

Boris tried to stop parliament from sitting basically remove it’s power, to try and force the issue.
He drew his die in the ditch, line in the sand, to mix metaphors.

What happens if Soames and the rest back him to stAy as PM and sort it, as Soames said himself on Newsnight, but instead of either asking for an extension or negotiating a deal he decided to become a martyr and goes to prison.
That would cement his Brexiters support but would also leave little time to get another government together and get a deal with the 31st looming.
Who sends the extension letter to the EU.
You could still stumble out of the EU and Boris would be a hero and likely be voted in again in a GE... from his prison cell.

Wouldn’t be the first MP elected from gaol would it?

Nice summation.

I think prisoners are barred from standing for Parliament
 
What that summary from Lord Simption that George put up seems to be saying to me, is that parliament is Sovereign and today’s ruling reasserts the power of parliament.
A referendum is not compatible with a Sovereign parliament, to decide an issue that would require parliament to create laws or policies that would enable a result from a referendum.

Basically a referendum result is an indication of opinion in the public at a point in time and is doesn’t take into account how a parliament will need to proceed afterwards.
i.e it is indicative. parliament must be Sovereign.

That’s what I got out of it anyway. It’s your system but I’m starting to understand it better. I’m not sure most of your electorate do.

Now here’s a scenario, no matter how unlikely.

Boris tried to stop parliament from sitting basically remove it’s power, to try and force the issue.
He drew his die in the ditch, line in the sand, to mix metaphors.

What happens if Soames and the rest back him to stAy as PM and sort it, as Soames said himself on Newsnight, but instead of either asking for an extension or negotiating a deal he decided to become a martyr and goes to prison.
That would cement his Brexiters support but would also leave little time to get another government together and get a deal with the 31st looming.
Who sends the extension letter to the EU.
You could still stumble out of the EU and Boris would be a hero and likely be voted in again in a GE... from his prison cell.

Wouldn’t be the first MP elected from gaol would it?

It’s never happened.

You cannot be elected whilst doing a sentence.
 
Correct, most people voted for Brexit and were repeatedly told it would happen by both sides. It's hard to counter the ERG case presented on Radio 4 World at One "These are all synthetic sideshows ...Johnson got a savage kicking in court today following his botched attempt to counter a rogue speaker enabling unconstitutional Remain legislation. The unprecedented prevention of a general election has provoked a crisis deliberately deepened by the Supremes. They are now principal actors supporting the Remain HoC majority. Government depends on the consent of the governed and they withdrew their consent from our EU membership.... The fundamental issue is that the PM has lost control of Parliament and they will not allow him to try to get a mandate to pursue his policies via a GE where these issues will be the battleground...." etc etc
Andrew Neill making much the same case to Chuka right now on BBC....


Brexiteers : We want to take back sovereignty and make and control our own laws!

Supreme Court : Prorogation was illegal.

Brexiteers : No not those laws!

The number of Brexiteers (Toby Young ) and MPs (Rees Mogg ) insisting that the prorogation of parliament was nothing to do with Brexit are now adamant that prorogation being declared unlawful is an attempt to stop Brexit.
 

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