Prorogation - Judgment Day:10.30am Tuesday 24/9/19

blueinsa said:
Murdered?
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Yes.

Austerity and IDS in particular when in office enacted policies that were warned would cause suffering, though no one expected deaths, there have been.

The original act of austerity was premeditated and done with willfull intent, I call that murder.

This is not the first government in the world to blindly kill it's people for ideology, but it seems to be ine that is allowed to get away with it without scutiny or criticism.


For me Brexit, I ain't that arsed, we leave, we stay in, I can live with both and cameron calling the referendum, though I think was soft and stupid with no exit stratergy isn't what I hate this government for.

It is Austerity and what it has done to people, that is why, despite thinking johnson is a bellend and unfit to lead he comes lower on my list of cunts.

David cameron, nick clegg, gideon osbourne, vince cable, jo swinson, Duncan smith, theresa may all this lot I hold in extreme contempt for foisting austerity upon us.
 
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urban genie said:
Yes.

Austerity and IDS in particular when in office enacted policies that were warned would cause suffering, though no one expected deaths, there have been.

The original act of austerity was premeditated and done with willfull intent, I call that murder.

This is not the first government in the world to blindly kill it's people for ideology, but it seems to be ine that is allowed to get away with it without scutiny or criticism.


For me Brexit, I ain't that arsed, we leave, we stay in, I can live with both and cameron calling the referendum, though I think was soft and stupid with no exit stratergy isn't what I hate this government for.

It is Austerity and what it has done to people, that is why, despite thinking johnson is a bellend and unfit to lead he comes lower on my list of cunts.

David cameron, nick clegg, gideon osbourne, vince cable, jo swinson, Duncan smith, theresa may all this lot I hold in extreme contempt for foisting austerity upon us.
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Call it what you want and be guilty of using hyperbole and ridiculous language to push your own political agenda just like those you oppose.

Fucking murder ffs.

Christ this place and this country!
 
Murder! FFS murder?

My dad was born in Collyhurst in 1940s - he absolutely pisses himself when he hears about Austerity in the last few years.

You cant spend more than you are taking in indefinitely and burden future generations.

The spendthrift days under Brown could simply not go on forever.

If Corbyn god forbid got in It would take 20 year to recover from the damage he would do in just one term.
 
urban genie said:
Yes.

Austerity and IDS in particular when in office enacted policies that were warned would cause suffering, though no one expected deaths, there have been.

The original act of austerity was premeditated and done with willfull intent, I call that murder.

This is not the first government in the world to blindly kill it's people for ideology, but it seems to be ine that is allowed to get away with it without scutiny or criticism.


For me Brexit, I ain't that arsed, we leave, we stay in, I can live with both and cameron calling the referendum, though I think was soft and stupid with no exit stratergy isn't what I hate this government for.

It is Austerity and what it has done to people, that is why, despite thinking johnson is a bellend and unfit to lead he comes lower on my list of cunts.

David cameron, nick clegg, gideon osbourne, vince cable, jo swinson, Duncan smith, theresa may all this lot I hold in extreme contempt for foisting austerity upon us.
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The welfare cuts have led to an increase in suicide.

https://www.disabilitynewsservice.c...related-deaths-involved-sanctions-admits-dwp/

1 in 5 related to sanctions

Terry McGarvey, 48. Dangerously ill from polycytheamia, Terry asked for an ambulance to be called during his Work Capability Assessment. He knew that he wasn’t well enough to attend his WCA but feared that his benefits would be stopped if he did not. He died the following day.

Elaine Lowe, 53. Suffering from COPD and fearful of losing her benefits. In desperation, Elaine chose to commit suicide.

Mark Wood, 44. Found fit for work by Atos, against his Doctors advice and assertions that he had complex mental health problems. Starved to death after benefits stopped, weighing only 5st 8lb when he died.

Paul Reekie, 48, the Leith based Poet and Author. Suffered from severe depression. Committed suicide after DWP stopped his benefits due to an Atos ‘fit for work’ decision.

Leanne Chambers, 30. Suffered depression for many years which took a turn for the worst when she was called in for a WCA. Leanne committed suicide soon after.

Karen Sherlock, 44. Multiple health issues. Found fit for work by Atos and denied benefits. Fought a long battle to get placed into the support group of ESA. Karen died the following month of a heart attack.

Carl Payne, 42. Fears of losing his lifeline benefits due to welfare reform led this Father of two to take his own life.

Tim Salter, 53. Blind and suffering from Agoraphobia. Tim hanged himself after Atos found him fit for work and stopped his benefits.

Edward Jacques, 47 years old and suffering from HIV and Hepatitis C. Edward had a history of severe depression and self-harm. He took a fatal overdose after Atos found him fit for work and stopped his benefits.

Linda Wootton, 49 years old. A double heart and lung transplant patient. Died just nine days after the government found her fit for work, their refusal letter arriving as she lay desperately ill in her hospital bed.

Steven Cawthra, 55. His benefits stopped by the DWP and with rising debts, he saw suicide as the only way out of a desperate situation.

Elenore Tatton, 39 years old. Died just weeks after the government found her fit for work.

John Walker, 57, saddled with debt because of the bedroom tax, John took his own life.

Brian McArdle, 57 years old. Suffered a fatal heart attack the day after his disability benefits were stopped.

Stephen Hill, 53. Died of a heart attack one month after being found fit for work, even though he was waiting for major heart surgery.

Jacqueline Harris, 53. A former Nurse who could hardly walk was found fit for work by Atos and her benefits withdrawn. in desperation, she took her own life.

David Barr, 28. Suffering from severe mental difficulties. Threw himself from a bridge after being found fit for work by Atos and failing his appeal.

David Groves, 56. Died of a heart attack the night before taking his work capability assessment. His widow claimed that it was the stress that killed him.

Nicholas Peter Barker, 51. Shot himself after being told his benefits were being stopped. He was unable to work after a brain haemorrhage left him paralysed down one side.

Mark and Helen Mullins, 48 and 59 years old. Forced to live on £57.50 a week and make 12 mile trips each week to get free vegetables to make soup. Mark and Helen both committed suicide.

Richard Sanderson, 44. Unable to find a job and with his housing benefit cut forcing him to move, but with nowhere to go. Richard committed suicide.

Martin Rust, 36 years old. A schizophrenic man who killed himself two months after the government found him fit to work.

Craig Monk, 43. A vulnerable gentleman and a partial amputee who slipped so far into poverty that he hanged himself.

Colin Traynor, 29, and suffering from epilepsy was stripped of his benefits. He appealed. Five weeks after his death his family found he had won his appeal.

Elaine Christian, 57 years old. Worried about her work capability assessment, she was subsequently found at Holderness drain, drowned and with ten self inflicted wrist wounds.

Christelle and Kayjah Pardoe, 32 years and 5 month old. Pregnant, her benefits stopped, Christelle, clutching her baby son jumped from a third floor balcony.

Mark Scott, 46. His DLA and housing benefit stopped and sinking into deep depression, Mark died six weeks later.

Cecilia Burns, 51. Found fit for work while undergoing treatment for breast cancer. She died just a few weeks after she won her appeal against the Atos decision.

Chris Cann, 57 years old. Found dead in his home just months after being told he had to undergo a medical assessment to prove he could not work.

Peter Hodgson, 49. Called to JCP to see if he was suitable for volunteer work. Peter had suffered a stroke, a brain haemorrhage and had a fused leg. His appointment letter arrived a few days after he took his own life.

Paul Willcoxsin, 33 years old. Suffered with mental health problems and worried about government cuts. Paul committed suicide by hanging himself.

Stephanie Bottrill, 53. After paying £80 a month for bedroom tax, Stephanie could not afford heating in the winter, and lived on tinned custard. In desperation, she chose to walk in front of a lorry.

Larry Newman suffered from a degenerative lung condition, his weight dropping from 10 to 7 stone. Atos awarded him zero points, he died just three months after submitting his appeal.

Paul Turner, 52 years old. After suffering a heart attack, he was ordered to find a job in February. In April Paul died from ischaemic heart disease.

Christopher Charles Harkness, 39. After finding out that the funding for his care home was being withdrawn, this man who suffered with mental health issues, took his own life.

Sandra Louise Moon, 57. Suffering from a degenerative back condition, depression and increasingly worried about losing her incapacity benefit. Sandra committed suicide by taking an overdose.

Lee Robinson, 39 years old. Took his own life after his housing benefit and council tax were taken away from him.

David Coupe, 57. A Cancer sufferer found fit for work by Atos in 2012. David lost his sight, then his hearing, then his mobility, and then his life.

Michael McNicholas, 34. Severely depressed and a recovering alcoholic. Michael committed suicide after being called in for a Work Capability Assessment by Atos.

Victor Cuff, 59 and suffering from severe depression. Victor hanged himself after the DWP stopped his benefits.

Charles Barden, 74. Charles committed suicide by hanging due to fears that the Bedroom Tax would leave him destitute and unable to cope.

Ian Caress, 43. Suffered multiple health issues and deteriorating eyesight. Ian was found fit for work by Atos, he died ten months later having lost so much weight that his family said that he resembled a concentration camp victim.

Iain Hodge, 30. Suffered from the life threatening illness, Hughes Syndrome. Found fit for work by Atos and benefits stopped, Iain took his own life.

Wayne Grew, 37. Severely depressed due to government cuts and the fear of losing his job, Wayne committed suicide by hanging.

Kevin Bennett, 40. Kevin a sufferer of schizophrenia and mental illness became so depressed after his JSA was stopped that he became a virtual recluse. Kevin was found dead in his flat several months later.

David Elwyn Hughs Harries, 48. A disabled man who could no longer cope after his parents died, could find no help from the government via benefits. David took an overdose as a way out of his solitude.

Denis Jones, 58. A disabled man crushed by the pressures of government cuts, in particular the Bedroom Tax, and unable to survive by himself. Denis was found dead in his flat.

Shaun Pilkington, 58. Unable to cope any more, Shaun shot himself dead after receiving a letter from the DWP informing him that his ESA was being stopped.

Paul ?, 51. Died in a freezing cold flat after his ESA was stopped. Paul appealed the decision and won on the day that he lost his battle to live.

Chris MaGuire, 61. Deeply depressed and incapable of work, Chris was summonsed by Atos for a Work Capability Assessment and deemed fit for work. On appeal, a judge overturned the Atos decision and ordered them to leave him alone for at least a year, which they did not do. In desperation, Chris took his own life, unable to cope anymore.

Peter Duut, a Dutch national with terminal cancer living in the UK for many years found that he was not entitled to benefits unless he was active in the labour market. Peter died leaving his wife destitute, and unable to pay for his funeral.

George Scollen, age unknown. Took his own life after the government closed the Remploy factory he had worked in for 40 years.

Julian Little, 47. Wheelchair bound and suffering from kidney failure, Julian faced the harsh restrictions of the Bedroom Tax and the loss of his essential dialysis room. He died shortly after being ordered to downgrade.

Miss DE, Early 50’s. Suffering from mental illness, this lady committed suicide less than a month after an Atos assessor gave her zero points and declared her fit for work.

Robert Barlow, 47. Suffering from a brain tumour, a heart defect and awaiting a transplant, Robert was deemed fit for work by Atos and his benefits were withdrawn. He died penniless less than two years later.

Carl Joseph Foster-Brown, 58. As a direct consequence of the wholly unjustifiable actions of the Job centre and DWP, this man took his own life.

Martin Hadfield, 20 years old. Disillusioned with the lack of jobs available in this country but too proud to claim benefits. Utterly demoralised, Martin took his own life by hanging himself.

Annette Francis, 30. A mum-of-one suffering from severe mental illness, found dead after her disability benefits were ceased.

Ian Jordan, 60. His benefits slashed after Atos and the DWP declared Ian, a sufferer of Barratt’s Oesophagus, fit for work, caused him to run up massive debts in order to survive. Ian was found dead in his flat after taking an overdose.

Janet McCall, 53. Terminally ill with pulmonary fibrosis and declared ‘Fit for Work’ by Atos and the DWP, this lady died 5 months after her benefits were stopped.

Stuart Holley, 23. A man driven to suicide by the DWP’s incessant pressure and threat of sanctions for not being able to find a job.

Graham Shawcross, 63. A sufferer of the debilitating disease, Addison’s. Died of a heart attack due to the stress of an Atos ‘Fit for Work’ decision.

David Clapson, 59 years old. A diabetic ex-soldier deprived of the means to survive by the DWP and the governments harsh welfare reforms, David died all but penniless, starving and alone, his electricity run out.

Chris Smith, 59. Declared ‘Fit for Work’ by Atos as he lay dying of Cancer in his hospital bed.

Nathan Hartwell, 36, died of heart failure after an 18-month battle with the Department for Works and Pensions.

Michael Connolly, 60. A Father of One, increasingly worried about finances after his benefits were cut. Committed suicide by taking 13 times the fatal dose of prescription medicine on the 30th October – His Birthday.

Jan Mandeville, 52, A lady suffering from Fibromyalgia, driven to the point of mental and physical breakdown by this governments welfare reforms. Jan was found dead in her home after battling the DWP for ESA and DLA.

Trevor Drakard, 50 years old. A shy and reserved, severe epileptic who suffered regular and terrifying fits almost his entire life, hounded to suicide by the DWP who threatened to stop his life-line benefits.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Murderer.
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Why thanks? I would like to see you in the House of Commons during these debates. The quality of debate from some of the hysterical women on the left last night was frankly an insult to Boris. He would have faced tougher challenges in the under 11s Eton debating society.

The Mogg didn't even stir.
 
Rascal said:
Why?
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Rascal, without wanting to sound condescending you are clearly a bright fella. You must realise that Corbyn is deeply unpopular with a large centre section of the Labour vote. I have many friends and work collegaues who are labour voters and I can think of two who are prepared to vote for him. The rest have said they will vote Lib Dems or not vote. A couple have indicated they will vote Brexit Party and one has said he will even vote for Boris! He is that devisive even given the golden hand he has been dealt with by the current shambles in power. John Smith or Robin Cook, both of whom I respected greatly, would have wiped the floor with this government. Sadly neither are no longer with I us. Politics is at a very low ebb right now.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Rascal, without wanting to sound condescending you are clearly a bright fella. You must realise that Corbyn is deeply unpopular with a large centre section of the Labour vote. I have many friends and work collegaues who are labour voters and I can think of two who are prepared to vote for him. The rest have said they will vote Lib Dems or not vote. A couple have indicated they will vote Brexit Party and one has said he will even vote for Boris! He is that devisive even given the golden hand he has been dealt with by the current shambles in power. John Smith or Robin Cook, both of whom I respected greatly, would have wiped the floor with this government. Sadly neither are no longer with I us. Politics is at a very low ebb right now.
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A record majority Labour government awaits if they just get rid of Corbyn.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Rascal, without wanting to sound condescending you are clearly a bright fella. You must realise that Corbyn is deeply unpopular with a large centre section of the Labour vote. I have many friends and work collegaues who are labour voters and I can think of two who are prepared to vote for him. The rest have said they will vote Lib Dems or not vote. A couple have indicated they will vote Brexit Party and one has said he will even vote for Boris! He is that devisive even given the golden hand he has been dealt with by the current shambles in power. John Smith or Robin Cook, both of whom I respected greatly, would have wiped the floor with this government. Sadly neither are no longer with I us. Politics is at a very low ebb right now.
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I think Smith in particular would've made a great PM. The current shower - on all sides - are laughable in comparison
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Rascal, without wanting to sound condescending you are clearly a bright fella. You must realise that Corbyn is deeply unpopular with a large centre section of the Labour vote. I have many friends and work collegaues who are labour voters and I can think of two who are prepared to vote for him. The rest have said they will vote Lib Dems or not vote. A couple have indicated they will vote Brexit Party and one has said he will even vote for Boris! He is that devisive even given the golden hand he has been dealt with by the current shambles in power. John Smith or Robin Cook, both of whom I respected greatly, would have wiped the floor with this government. Sadly neither are no longer with I us. Politics is at a very low ebb right now.
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That's a shame as the policies are good, sadly we are becoming Americanised and personality and likeability are just as important.

I will continue to hope for a Socialist government and the one thing that Corbyn has done that is irrefutable is that he has dragged the Overton window leftwards after years of right wing domination.
 
Rascal said:
That's a shame as the policies are good, sadly we are becoming Americanised and personality and likeability are just as important.

I will continue to hope for a Socialist government and the one thing that Corbyn has done that is irrefutable is that he has dragged the Overton window leftwards after years of right wing domination.
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But you have to accept that you as a self proclaimed socialist / communist and extreme left winger are in the vast minority. The vast majority of people don't want that and recognise that it does not work.
 
cibaman said:
It would depend on who they replaced him with
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Agree.

Some of that front bench are truly shocking as is the majority of parliament right across the parties right now.

We have no real statesmen or women anymore and its showing.
 
blueinsa said:
Agree.

Some of that front bench are truly shocking as is the majority of parliament right across the parties right now.

We have no real statesmen or women anymore and its showing.
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I think it’s quite likely that Corbyn will stand down this year. But I’m sure he will be replaced by someone of similar beliefs. I don’t think there’s any possibility of him being replaced by anyone who could win a clear majority in an election
 
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