Another new Brexit thread

[Chippy_boy]

Reality check time.

There is a fag paper between parties and politicians in so much regardless of who is in power, everyone will be taxed heavily and pay through the nose for almost everything.

Red or Blue, income tax, VAT, Council tax, inheritance tax, corporation tax, business rates etc etc, you name it will remain and literally fuck all will change for 99.99% of us in our daily lives.

Its one big con and stitch up job and why anyone thinks or feels anything differently I've no idea?

I don't know how you figure that out.

1 taxpayer in 20 earns more than around £80k a year. So that's 5% of people adversely affected by a Labour government for starters. And that's before we start thinking about the inevitable downgrading of inheritance tax allowances and god know what else would follow as / when the Labour spending money runs out.

A vote for Labour is a vote for higher taxes than under the Tories. Not difficult to understand when Labour are committing to spending a shed load and also considering their idiotic nationalisation plans.

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

They dont pay council tax.

They pay business rates.

Whatever .... but it should be aligned .... I don't particularly care which way

 

[purplenose]

"So tell me when we last were a true democracy with a decent society."

Obvious.
1979, before Thatcher was elected and said there was no such thing as society.

I tend to agree with that. Long time ago is it not?

So I cannot understand why you would in anyway support the current offerings?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Why thank you sir!
A masterpiece you say!
It seems some others appreciated it as well. Your appreciation of someone that has been found guilty of unlawful behaviour and misleading the monarch, trying to set the populace against parliament and the legal establishment and trying to find any loophole to implement a no deal Brexit that no one voted for needs little comment from me.

Excellent.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Actually I got it from the Gove/Hammond book of ‘How Do We Wean Private Schools Off Addiction To The Taxpayers Tit’. It’s a cracking read. All true Conservatives that work in the private sector will be enraged at the special treatment these private businesses receive.

Funny that your comments and beliefs and even the words seem to match so precisely those coming from the Great Man of Principle, one JC. But I stand corrected, if you base your views off a couple of Tories instead. I don't happen to agree with either of them, but good to see you're open to Conservative ideas eh Bob.

 

[blueinsa]

I don't know how you figure that out.

1 taxpayer in 20 earns more than around £80k a year. So that's 5% of people adversely affected by a Labour government for starters. And that's before we start thinking about the inevitable downgrading of inheritance tax allowances and god know what else would follow as / when the Labour spending money runs out.

A vote for Labour is a vote for higher taxes than under the Tories. Not difficult to understand when Labour are committing to spending a shed load and also considering their idiotic nationalisation plans.

I was talking generally and of my experience as an adult governed by Tory and New Labour government.

Fuck all changes in reality.

 

[Chippy_boy]

How are they on the taxpayers tit?

Do they not pay tax that say....Castle Douglas High School has to pay?

Free military cadet uniforms apparently. If we ended those, everyone would be happy and the public school funding challenges would all be solved.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I was talking generally and of my experience as an adult governed by Tory and New Labour government.

Fuck all changes in reality.

I think you'll be in for a bit of a shock if you imagine John McDonnell's budgets would be anything like what you "enjoyed' under New Labour!

Funny how the most successful Labour Prime Minister ever, also presided over policies more aligned to Tory ideology than those of any other Labour leader. That he was far more moderate is of course why he is so despised by Momentum et al. The war on iraq BS is simply a convenient excuse to vilify someone who in reality they loathe because he didn't screw the better off enough.

 

[bluethrunthru]

misleading the House?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49833221

 

[blueinsa]

I think you'll be in for a bit of a shock if you imagine John McDonnell's budgets would be anything like what you "enjoyed' under New Labour!

Funny how the most successful Labour Prime Minister ever, also presided over policies more aligned to Tory ideology than those of any other Labour leader. That he was far more moderate is of course why he is so despised by Momentum et al. The war on iraq BS is simply a convenient excuse to vilify someone who in reality they loathe because he didn't screw the better off enough.

Not in for any shock as I will never vote for a Corbyn/McDonnell led Labour because their policies are for the birds.

 

[bluejon]

I was talking generally and of my experience as an adult governed by Tory and New Labour government.

Fuck all changes in reality.

Maybe not for yourself, but have a quick google of the numbers of in work poor, food bank use, the country lines drug issue (which is generally blamed on lack of funding to social care resulting in kids being used by drug gangs). The recent tory governments have been a disaster for the less well off in this country.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

misleading the House?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49833221

Saw that on BBC News last night and then the clip with Johnson being interviewed where the interviewer pulls him up twice lying about what Justice Hale actually said,
and he continues on telling the interviewer he's wrong and thought, you really are going down the American Trump route here.

If you lie repeatedly and put a simple message out often enough, people absorb it.
It works. It's always worked. Is it ethical? Are any of them ethical?
The present breed are shamelessly blatant and don't care if the people they are not appealing to, can see it or not.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Not in for any shock as I will never vote for a Corbyn/McDonnell led Labour because their policies are for the birds.

Whether you vote for them or not, if they got in, you'd be in for a shock if you genuinely believe there would no noticeable difference on taxes and jobs etc.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Maybe not for yourself, but have a quick google of the numbers of in work poor, food bank use, the country lines drug issue (which is generally blamed on lack of funding to social care resulting in kids being used by drug gangs). The recent tory governments have been a disaster for the less well off in this country.

I throw this out there for you to consider for a moment. Maybe, just maybe, what was the disaster was the 2008 crash and the economic carnage which ensued for nearly a decade afterwards? You might or might not agree with the need for austerity (I am guessing not, since it's the in vogue idea to pretend it was all a Tory stitch up to punish poor people who we Tories all hate). But the fact is the public voted for it, not once, not twice, three times; in 2010, 2015 and again in 2017. People in the majority believed it to be necessary.

 

[BobKowalski]

Funny that your comments and beliefs and even the words seem to match so precisely those coming from the Great Man of Principle, one JC. But I stand corrected, if you base your views off a couple of Tories instead. I don't happen to agree with either of them, but good to see you're open to Conservative ideas eh Bob.

I’m an ex Tory voter mate. Not that big a surprise. I also read more right leaning media than left. Little point in reading stuff I already agree with.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Is it a coincidence that the Trump, Brexit and by extension Boris Johnson projects are all falling apart at the same time?

Promising the un-deliverable, lying through ones teeth and trying to out Farage Nigel Farage was always going unravel at some point

 

[Ifwecouldjust.......]

misleading the House?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49833221

No .... just being a Conservative .... Research conducted has proven that 70% of their statements have been lies.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I’m an ex Tory voter mate. Not that big a surprise. I also read more right leaning media than left. Little point in reading stuff I already agree with.

Frankly I am shocked that this. Genuinely I am shocked.

 

[yerwot?]

Reality check time.

There is a fag paper between
Its one big con and stitch up job and why anyone thinks or feels anything differently I've no idea?

Reality check time.

There is a fag paper between parties and politicians in so much regardless of who is in power, everyone will be taxed heavily and pay through the nose for almost everything.

Red or Blue, income tax, VAT, Council tax, inheritance tax, corporation tax, business rates etc etc, you name it will remain and literally fuck all will change for 99.99% of us in our daily lives.

Its one big con and stitch up job and why anyone thinks or feels anything differently I've no idea?

After the ERM disaster, many thousands lost their homes and jobs, you dont walk away from that with a shrug and "deal with it". Poor sods who handed their keys back thinking that would be the end of it were/are pursued for years for the debt, and seeing the property sold for peanuts to "mates" of solicitors and property conveyors then seeing it rented out at exorbitant prices, caused a spike in suicide statistics. A NO-DEAL brexit will make those times seem trivial. May's utterly transparent pitch to the JAM's , which she claimed to number hundreds of thousands, but was actually far more, has been expunged deleted erased from any and every brexit debate. Their situation (the jams) is now much worse and there are many more, thanks to ZHC's, the self-employment SCAM. The trivialising of their situation by the MSM , "a pinch" , a "blip", even "we got over the war" FFS, is calculated lying at it's most pernicious. The brexit response on BM typifies it. "WE (yep the royal WE) are brave enough to cope, remainers are all cowards, scared of change, no backbone, good job they weren't at Dunkirk eh lads, and many other similar opinions, designed to airbrush the iceberg out of the picture that is the bleakest of futures, (apart from the financially bulletproof who will be lavishly rewarded as ever.) Revoke, remain REVENGE.....:)

 

[Metal Biker]

Would most here be against staying in the EEA as a deal similar to Norway?
I know this will never happen but it interests me as it would be a solution to a lot of problems and would be an exit from the European Union

More EFTA than EEA. Being able to conclude trade deals outside of the EU was one of my main reasons for leaving, but if it acts as a stepping stone towards that, i'd be in favour.