Prorogation - Judgment Day:10.30am Tuesday 24/9/19

Deffinition of a facist.

Fascism is a form of far right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society

We are half way there tbf, and factor in johnsons previous desire for water cannons and extreme measures to quelle demonstration when mayor he does tick all the boxes of the oxford english deffinition of a facist.


But that I am calling him that

Xenophobic, nationalist self centered chancer with a need for power and control maybe, but I would not use the term facist until he renames us ambrosia
 
There is plenty to heavily scrutinise Johnson on, that scrutinising him for the wrong thing would sadly detract from the rightfull and damning scrutiny he should get.
 
urban genie said:
Deffinition of a facist.

Fascism is a form of far right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society

We are half way there tbf, and factor in johnsons previous desire for water cannons and extreme measures to quelle demonstration when mayor he does tick all the boxes of the oxford english deffinition of a facist.


But that I am calling him that

Xenophobic, nationalist self centered chancer with a need for power and control maybe, but I would not use the term facist until he renames us ambrosia
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Sorry is that last sentence about the SNP?
 
urban genie said:
Could be applied yes but shirley they would use hibernia rather than ambrosia.
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Well that would yet be another hyperbole afcourse.

As to johnson, while i wouldn't call him a facist he has plenty to be ashamed for the languaghe he uses. The more damnng thing even is that he should be sufficiently educated to be concious just how unethical it is and yet he chooses to persue it.
 
urban genie said:
Because?
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I neither see SNP millitia's, n'or complete disregard for law and democratic institutions. No indicatio that they would overpower democracy trough sheer force. Feel free to scrutinise them, they are certaintly nationalist and even potential sepperatists though as a Flemming i'm rather highly supportive of a Scottish desire for more sovereignity. I don't know the SNP well enough, but i think you'd need pretty damnig things to turn them from nationalists into "facists".
 
FlemishDuck said:
Well that would yet be another hyperbole afcourse.

As to johnson, while i wouldn't call him a facist he has plenty to be ashamed for the languaghe he uses. The more damnng thing even is that he should be sufficiently educated to be concious just how unethical it is and yet he chooses to persue it.
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I think facism comes in many forms, not all facist go to the extremes of the third riech..
As does left wing totalitarianism.

Johnson exhibits some tell tale signs of a facist, bit as I said he is only hald way to being one.

Also I don't do Hyperbold, another niche word no fucker ever used 20 years ago, bit people love to throw into a debate
 
FlemishDuck said:
I neither see SNP millitia's, n'or complete disregard for law and democratic institutions. No indicatio that they would overpwer democracy trough sheer force. Feel free to scrutinise them, they are certaintly nationalist and even potential sepperatists though as a Flemming i'm rather highly supportive of a Scottish desire for more sovereignity. I don't know the SNP well enough, but i think you'd need pretty damnig things to turn them from nationalists into "facists".
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I bever called them facist, I said the tendancies that come with some parts of facism, ultra nationalism, xenophobia, that is what I equated them with.


Also as a socialist with leanings towards anarcho-communism I am an internationalist.
 
urban genie said:
I think facism comes in many forms, not all facist go to the extremes of the third riech..
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Facism's main tenet is (typicly racial) "strenght", from that perspective democracy is only justified in as far as it can defend itself and facists will use all means possible to challenge it. Society is distinctly ruled by certain "social darwinistic tenets", aka "the best" succeed ... or even survive.

You cannot however argue that "a move to increase one's own power" is distinctivly facist. What if a monarch tries to extend the power of monarchy and nobillety? What if he does that to institute enlightend monarchy?

There (also) has to be a difference between the act of dislodging democracy in favour of another system of rule and the more specific form that that new system of rule takes. I'm sure one could understand that similar tactics to dismantle democracy could be used by different ideoligies.
Stalinists could easily use the same tricks facists used to get into power, would they then be facists by virtue of having used the same means to power?
 
FlemishDuck said:
Facism's main tenet is (typicly racial) "strenght", from that perspective democracy is only justified in as far as it can defend itself and facists will use all means possible to challenge it. Society is distinctly ruled by certain "social darwinistic tenets", aka "the best" succeed ... or even survive.
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Illegally closing parliament to force through a policy that has no mandate in parliament or the public you could say.
 
Ban-jani said:
Illegally closing parliament to force through a policy that has no mandate in parliament or the public you could say.
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And loosing.

He had to respect the rule of law. It's certaintly damnable that he would question that or even undermine their authority as he seems to do. I'm very critical of him, but a bit of a stronger and in particular more succesfull facist would succesfully made the SC shut up whatever it took.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Yeah well Jess Phillips and other MPs should remember their own language. She said she would stab Corbyn not in the back but in the front if he jeopardised the chances of a future labour govt.

Nice lady.
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Bercow made it clear that politicians on all sides should calm their language. Now I'm not defending Johnson's behaviour the other night - in fact, I think he should've resigned in the wake of the Supreme Court judgement the other day - but it appears to me that while his use of words was clumsy, some are trying to twist it as him disrespecting Jo Cox. Firstly, it was a Labour MP who brought up Jo's murder. Secondly, Johnson was responding in relation to that. Thirdly, I read his comment about Jo and "getting Brexit done" as a nod to honouring the public vote, and while Jo was a Remainer she would've respected the vote. Fourthly, Jo's husband - while critical of Johnson's comments - felt that it was sloppy as opposed to anything more sinister, and echoed Bercow's words that politicians on all sides should refrain from using inflammatory words. Fifthly, and despite this request, Jeremy Corbyn then went and used Jo's murder to score points against Johnson.

For me, all sides are as guilty as each other in using inflammatory language and none of them are coming across well at all.
 
M18CTID said:
For me, all sides are as guilty as each other in using inflammatory language and none of them are coming across well at all.
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It is imho more damning in the case of Johnson (and the sitting goverment) because he is in a higher position of responsabillety. The Pm in fact has set the recent tone to a large degree, creating a culture of partisan attacks to hide his errors.
 
FlemishDuck said:
It is imho more damning in the case of Johnson (and the sitting goverment) because he is in a higher position of responsabillety. The Pm in fact has set the recent tone to a large degree, creating a culture of partisan attacks to hide his errors.
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Oh, I don't disagree that as PM he should carry more responsibility. That much is obvious. Most of them need to have a word with themselves though and calm the fuck down
 
FlemishDuck said:
And loosing.

He had to respect the rule of law. It's certaintly damnable that he would question that or even undermine their authority as he seems to do. I'm very critical of him, but a bit of a stronger and in particular more succesfull facist would succesfully made the SC shut up whatever it took.
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He’s a fascist then, just a useless one.

Got it.
 
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