Var debate 2019/20

Xhavenjoe said:
A referee called players back onto the pitch during half time to award a penalty, in an extraordinary video assistant (VAR) decision in Germany.

Guido Winkmann had already sent the players to their dressing rooms in Mainz’s match at home to Freiburg in the Bundesliga, when he had to call them back out after a handball was spotted on video replays.
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A ref called Winkmann, love it, were his linos Nudgemen?
 
quiet_riot said:
Just caught up on last night's "offside" against the rags, and that all shows how shite the whole system is.

To be fair to De Gea, he's seen the flag go up and stopped trying, which has made Aubameyang's finish easier, and then they've overturned it (correctly).

Linos, refs and VAR all need a rocket
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De Gea was a dickhead then if he stopped for the flag, rule #1 is play to the whistle, and why does VAR need a rocket? it did its job correctly in this case
 
flook said:
De Gea was a dickhead then if he stopped for the flag, rule #1 is play to the whistle, and why does VAR need a rocket? it did its job correctly in this case
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Spot on. Seems some people will tryput a negative spin on VAR even when it works to absolute perfection.
 
At least var managed to noble the man utd fan with the flag, as there is no other excuse for him to have lifted that flag in the first place, unless he was cheating of course, nobody makes that mistake by accident.
 
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In the Champions League the linesman waits to flag until the goal scoring chance has been taken or missed and the chance has gone. How hard can it be to follow that?

Instead in the PL we have the linesman instantly flag which can affect players concentration and even the ref himself as soon as they notice it.

Sky/BT, the media and fans need to start pressuring for them to actually overrule. They need to start comparing the PL VAR to elsewhere in Europe statistically speaking. I swear to God they better sort this all out next season. Shit... even part way through the season I'd take like Jan 1st.
 
The linesman last night should be rested for a few games.
To get everything wrong in the offside decision there can be only one conclusion.
A rag #### who forgot var was being used.
They should have drawn a line on the decision just to show how corrupt the #### was.
 
It makes me feel sick to say it but I thinbk United fans have every right to be pissed off after last night.
Players have spent years reacting to a flag and it's impossible not to be affected by seeing it raised in a passage of play.
De Gea and one or two defenders all stopped - wrongly but understandably.
I'm a VAR fan bu that was a bloody mess.

Now I'm off for a lie down...
 
...That said, the flag shouldnever have gone up in the first place.
10 years ago we'd have had to listen to old bacon face going on about how 'they even themselves up over the course of a season' even though it was strangely 95% in favour of the rags both home and away !
 
I hate the fact they now check every goal unless its a team in red on the premise of looking for a reason not to allow it.

For offsides I am thinking the linos should have 2 flag positions 1 straight off offside stop the game, if they fuck up too many of theses then though, send them to spec savers or bin them off. A 2nd flag position could trigger a VAR review and the muppets in the caravan get 10 secs to review and determine. The technology isn't able to determine to within mms despite the blurb. The fact its signalled means everyone at least knows there's a maybe and will have an inkling themselves from their own real time view. It they cant call it definitively offside in 10 secs then benefit of doubt goes with the attacking team. If theres no flag whatsoever the goal isnt checked for bullshit offside 17 phases of play back.
At least it would bring consistency and prevent them going back in time just enough phases to suit their favoured outcome, and fans in the ground would have a clue what the hell is going on and whether they can celebrate or not.
 
quiet_riot said:
Just caught up on last night's "offside" against the rags, and that all shows how shite the whole system is.

To be fair to De Gea, he's seen the flag go up and stopped trying, which has made Aubameyang's finish easier, and then they've overturned it (correctly).

Linos, refs and VAR all need a rocket
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How do you know he stopped trying ? To be honest I thought he had stopped trying mid way through last season but I accept it is really hard to tell when he is and when he isn't.
 
melons said:
...That said, the flag shouldnever have gone up in the first place.
10 years ago we'd have had to listen to old bacon face going on about how 'they even themselves up over the course of a season' even though it was strangely 95% in favour of the rags both home and away !
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This is why I have zero issues with them stopping for the flag and not the whistle and laughing about it.

Fuck the rag ****s, they would do the same to us.
 
Coljj said:
In the Champions League the linesman waits to flag until the goal scoring chance has been taken or missed and the chance has gone. How hard can it be to follow that?

Instead in the PL we have the linesman instantly flag which can affect players concentration and even the ref himself as soon as they notice it.

Sky/BT, the media and fans need to start pressuring for them to actually overrule. They need to start comparing the PL VAR to elsewhere in Europe statistically speaking. I swear to God they better sort this all out next season. Shit... even part way through the season I'd take like Jan 1st.
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Did you see Norwich v red scouse game ? lino flagged wrongly against Norwich on at least 4 occasions with the ref blowing his whistle stopping play ,
 
Did you see Norwich v red scouse game ? lino flagged wrongly against Norwich on at least 4 occasions with the ref blowing his whistle stopping play

I think I remember them getting one wrong. It is ridiculous though that they don't just let the attacking passage play out then the lino make his call when the ball is no longer in-play. I think of when a linesman spots a player in an offside position and only flags if he becomes active. Why not see wait to flag after a chance has been scored/missed/saved and the ball is dead. What was it, like 4 seconds after Saka played the pass and Aubameyang had in the back of the net?

I've no issue with VAR when implented the proper way.It's actually used in Europe/World Cup the right way apart from the handball interpretation. The only thing that needs to improve is the speed of a decision but I feel that will improve with time as VAR edit room gets more experience and the tools/software evolve. The ref should be getting a decision no more than 20-30 seconds after an actual match incident takes place.

The Premier League is another kettle of fish as they don't want to use it to ever overrule a ref's initial judgement.
 
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bluealf said:
At least var managed to noble the man utd fan with the flag, as there is no other excuse for him to have lifted that flag in the first place, unless he was cheating of course, nobody makes that mistake by accident.
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I think VAR made a coward of him, he hesitated initially and then put the flag up in the full knowledge that if he did get it wrong then the VAR officials would pick it up. He was just passing the buck essentially.
 
WTF is the fucking monitor for if they are not going to use it
I tried to convince people it would work for us,many hrs i protested against the doubters
Smack me in the mouth right now
 
Just fuck off. 3 stonewall pens denied with VAR. I would genuinely not be arsed if we failed to qualify for the knockout stages. Shit competition
 
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