Var debate 2019/20

Marvin said:
Not sure I agree about VAR being corrupt. It's definitely inept and confusing. I agree there were at least 2 pens, but we've seen in the Premier League that if the ref doesn't give a pen, then the bar for a VAR overrule is ridiculously high.
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We have to be working on the assumption that if you can say "I've seen similar and them not given", if the ref on pitch doesn't give it then the one in the TV room won't either. It's a crazily high bar for penalties.
 
squirtyflower said:
I’ll tell you something mate. It’s not the likes of you and I making lots!!!!
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Indeed. Trust me I am as cynical about the world we live in as much as anybody. Corruption is rife and no doubt its influenced the higher echelons of football, obvious example is awarding of World Cups etc, but its whether it extends to match fixing, match fixing against us etc rather than backhanders for the Fifa/Uefa family for votes
 
Pingu the Penguin said:
Fairer enough

Presumably tho, from what you’ve seen. There are enough dodgy decisions out there now to show that more likely than not the game is bent?
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No not for me. Because there does not seem patterns to decisions.

Also I work in an industry where we have legislation written in black and white and then have to decide on the correct interpretation. Three of us in the office with 65 years experience disagree all the time and yet I am not making those decisions in a split second, seeing incidents in a flash, 1000s of decisions over a 90 minute period, while pressured by footballers, managers and 50k fans etc.

Now I appreciate that does not apply to Var but thats how its being used which is the issue.
 
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franksinatra said:
No not for me. Because there does not seem patterns to decisions.

Also I work in an industry where we have legislation written in black and white and then have to decide on the correct interpretation. Three of us in the office with 65 years experience disagree all the time and yet I am not making those decisions in real time, be ing pressured by footballers and 50k fans etc.

Now I appreciate that does not apply to Var but thats how its being used which is the issue.
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But as the great Mario said “why always me”

The first leg against the Dippers a few years back was horrendous & followed up by the 2nd leg. Maybe it’s a conscious bias, but there is a bias.
 
cheekybids said:
But as the great Mario said “why always me”

The first leg against the Dippers a few years back was horrendous & followed up by the 2nd leg. Maybe it’s a conscious bias, but there is a bias.
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But if you supported Pool you would view incidents completely different. The bias, in my opinion, is with fans as we see things through the prism of our club.
 
franksinatra said:
But if you supported Pool you would view incidents completely different. The bias, in my opinion, is with fans as we see things through the prism of our club.
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Just compare handballs in the champs league since VAR was introduced.

How the fck can Dippers complain?
 
franksinatra said:
No not for me. Because there does not seem patterns to decisions.

Also I work in an industry where we have legislation written in black and white and then have to decide on the correct interpretation. Three of us in the office with 65 years experience disagree all the time and yet I am not making those decisions in a split second, seeing incidents in a flash, 1000s of decisions over a 90 minute period, while pressured by footballers, managers and 50k fans etc.

Now I appreciate that does not apply to Var but thats how its being used which is the issue.
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Patterns is an interesting point. Man City being on the poor end of decisions in the UCL seems to be one?
 
itisrising said:
I don't believe that, I just think that if UEFA wanted us out of the CL they would have made our passage to the knockout stage far, far more difficult. By giving us this group, even without getting VAR decisions, we're virtually guaranteed to top.

When it comes to knockout stages and these decisions go against us, my tune will change but right now, it just doesn't make any sense despite how frustrating it is.
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So you don't think UEFA are corrupt, yet you think they have the wherewithal to manipulate teams into strong or weak CL groups?
 
Paladin said:
So you don't think UEFA are corrupt, yet you think they have the wherewithal to manipulate teams into strong or weak CL groups?
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No I was just saying if they are corrupt, they would have the wherewithal to manipulate the groups so why would they be so favourable towards us

Edit: By corrupt, I am referring to match fixing abilities. I don't doubt there is corruption within that organisation.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
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absolute and utter fix. I couldn't care less about this group, but it was there to see plain as day.
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to be honest, yesterday morning I've read UEFA's statement that only clear and obvious errors on offsides will be called by VAR. That's up there with Sterling or one Spurs had s Leicester, it's not clear and obvious and that statement came earlier than this situation.
 
itisrising said:
No I was just saying if they are corrupt, they would have the wherewithal to manipulate the groups so why would they be so favourable towards us

Edit: By corrupt, I am referring to match fixing abilities. I don't doubt there is corruption within that organisation.
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I think you will find that UEFA do manipulate the groups, seeding was part of it but City overcoming the European elite and changed their thinking, even the G14 did not want to play us
 
There is definitely something very dodge going on with VAR even BT were saying they dont understand how VAR could have missed our two stone wall penalties last night. I cant see how the VAR ref missed the handle ball even Robbie Savage called before I saw it !!. The only thing i can think of is the VAR ref in his shed had a off-day or someone from UEFA was in his shed telling him not to give them.
 
give it to gordon said:
There is definitely something very dodge going on with VAR even BT were saying they dont understand how VAR could have missed our two stone wall penalties last night. I cant see how the VAR ref missed the handle ball even Robbie Savage called before I saw it !!. The only thing i can think of is the VAR ref in his shed had a off-day or someone from UEFA was in his shed telling him not to give them.
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Ot maybe he had a dose of the s***s and was away from the monitor
 
itisrising said:
No I was just saying if they are corrupt, they would have the wherewithal to manipulate the groups so why would they be so favourable towards us

Edit: By corrupt, I am referring to match fixing abilities. I don't doubt there is corruption within that organisation.
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I understand your view point. It is valid but naive. Let me explain. Last nights decisions were never going to decide our route into the later stages. So why is it corrupt? It is called setting a narrative and/or softenning up. Did we get any media support for our numerous issues with VAR. no. Look at match reports and there is no mention. Let alone an outcry. City fans and the club then get painted as 'always the victim' or paranoid'. Players lose faith in fairness of the game over time. Affects mindset in 'big' games. Meanwhile we are never getting rub of the green decisions. It is a win win in undermining the club. It has marked our card. We have been shown that we are always going to get fck over. Pep knows it. See what he says after the game. Pep recognises it but you dont. I know who i believe.
 
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