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The perfect fumble said:
Or it doesn't matter.

This final offer is a nonsense dead on arrival waste of time, no one expects the EU to take it seriously, it is designed to be rejected, in fact, as far as Johnson is concerned, it is essential that it be rejected.
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This is Cummings plan all along to create a people v establishment (whether that be parliament or EU), its how Vote Leave won paint the tories as the underdogs fighting the traitors and the surrender bill to get the best deal in town No deal.
 
Mike D said:
It wouldn't matter their supporters would still vote for them the choice is Ireland are limited DUP for prods and the rest are Sin Feinn. Alrlene is as bent as they come she caused the assembly to collapse and won't budge one inch even to save the assembly.
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I like to think that NI is ready to start moving on. This would be such a retro grade step and they all know it, I like to think there is a generation now that has seen the troubles and seen life post troubles and wants to keep moving in the right direction. Yes the hard core nutters that go on marches and the like will jump at the chance to piss people off but I'm hoping they are now a minority practically everywhere.
 
Mike D said:
This is Cummings plan all along to create a people v establishment (whether that be parliament or EU), its how Vote Leave won paint the tories as the underdogs fighting the traitors and the surrender bill to get the best deal in town No deal.
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That's the long and the short of it. Brexit has always been about the Tory Party, John Major's bastards, seeing off UKIP and now the Brexit Party.

No deal is the only deal for Johnson/Cummings, Mogg, Gove and the ERG little englanders, any compromise would be portrayed by the Brexit Party as surrender and they'd crucify the Tories come a general election.

Everything now is about squeezing the Brexit Party out, maintaining Johnson's hard Brexit credentials and ensuring the EU and Parliament are the fall guys.
 
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Gaudion M said:
I like to think that NI is ready to start moving on. This would be such a retro grade step and they all know it, I like to think there is a generation now that has seen the troubles and seen life post troubles and wants to keep moving in the right direction. Yes the hard core nutters that go on marches and the like will jump at the chance to piss people off but I'm hoping they are now a minority practically everywhere.
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The bowler hat brigade were marching through town the other week, we had friends over from Ireland and watching them backwards cunts marching down Deansgate was not nice. Every last one of them looked fucking miserable as sin why they allow that shit over here does me.

I agree the majority of Ireland is moving on but there are people at the moment who would love to see them going backwards. If the borders come back then before you know it the military will be back and before you now it the country has gone backwards 40 years. This is what happens when you allow a cunts like Johnson and Foster to be in charge bringing back divide and rule.
 
The perfect fumble said:
That's the long and the short of it. Brexit has always been about the Tory Party, John Major's bastards, seeing off UKIP and now the Brexit Party.

No deal is the only deal for Johnson/Cummings, Mogg, Gove and the ERG little englanders, any compromise would be portrayed by the Brexit Party as surrender and they'd crucify the Tories come a general election.

Everything now is about squeezing the Brexit Party out, maintaining Johnson's hard Brexit credentials and ensuring the EU and Parliament are the fall guys.
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The problem is that we are getting into national government territory now that Johnson has played his hand. Just waiting until the17th of October for the Benn Bill to kick in isn’t going to cut the mustard. It wouldn’t surprise me if Cummings wasn’t writing the poison pill letter right now once this non starter gets kicked into touch telling the EU to ignore the extension. If parliament is serious about this they need to get their together now and either bring forward the Benn Bill or oust Johnson by vote of no confidence either way doing nothing is not an option.
 
Mike D said:
The problem is that we are getting into national government territory now that Johnson has played his hand. Just waiting until the17th of October for the Benn Bill to kick in isn’t going to cut the mustard. It wouldn’t surprise me if Cummings wasn’t writing the poison pill letter right now once this non starter gets kicked into touch telling the EU to ignore the extension. If parliament is serious about this they need to get their together now and either bring forward the Benn Bill or oust Johnson by vote of no confidence either way doing nothing is not an option.
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Doing nothing is the only option.

This needs to play out for all concerned. Johnson's deal needs to be rejected by the EU (to be fall guy number 1) and Parliament must force Johnson to request an extension (to be fall guy number 2). Johnson will reluctantly comply, but it will only seem that way. Johnson doesn't really want hard Brexit, he doesn't want to carry the can for the shit fallout, he just wants to be seen to have been ready to hard Brexit, if only those traitors in Parliament hadn't stabbed him in the back.

That way he goes in to the election as the man who stood up for the people against the EU and Parliament, everything he has done is designed to bring that scenario about.

The opposition cannot derail this process, without appearing even more culpable in this betrayal.
 
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worsleyweb said:
I have just been outside the midland Hotel to stand with the pro Brexit supporters. Stood adjacent to the baying unwashed rabble to the left.

The contrast between the quality of persons on either side of the metal barrier could not have exemplified the difference between the professional protestors and those who are simply trying to protect democracy could not have been more apparent.

A very sad reflection on our City the way the Tory's are welcome by the extremist rabble.
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Your last paragraph is a little ambiguous.
 
Len Rum said:
Your last paragraph is a little ambiguous.
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It's perfectly clear to me. The Tory party has realigned itself toward the Farage/UKIP knuckle dragers. The Tommy Robinsons and the Katie Hopkins of the world have been getting attention and the Tories are muscling in on that space. Some of this rabble gathered in our city to welcome the Tories in. A disgrace.
 
Interesting that the polls have labour currently at 21% and Conservatives at 34%.

Yet on Blue Moon it is labour dominant?

I find it incredulous that a single person in the country could consider voting Labour but for one in 5 people to do so shows we have a lot of utterly deluded people in this country. If they ever got in through nonsense giveaways and promises of 32 hour working weeks it would take 20 years plus to recover from.

Boris is starting to make an impression with his steadfastness over the coming weeks. The silent majority have total respect for him.

I look forward to walking passed the great unwashed demonstrators on my way home.
 
Gaudion M said:
It's perfectly clear to me. The Tory party has realigned itself toward the Farage/UKIP knuckle dragers. The Tommy Robinsons and the Katie Hopkins of the world have been getting attention and the Tories are muscling in on that space. Some of this rabble gathered in our city to welcome the Tories in. A disgrace.
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Not a disgrace - an untruth by you. Boris Johnson is no Tommy Robinson.
 
worsleyweb said:
No Tommy Robison types and that is an insult to 17.4 million ordinary people who are standing up to your lazy and incorrect typecast - it was largely people in suits and the elderly. The side I was on was the only one with people wearing suits and a number of ex soldiers. The other side of the barrier looked like they needed a good wash to be honest with you.
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Again I can understand that. All the professionals on the other side will be fed up of suits having to wear them at work all week.
 
Chris in London said:
Again I can understand that. All the professionals on the other side will be fed up of suits having to wear them at work all week.
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Only time this rabble have seen suits is in court. You are in London and I guess completely unaware of the frustration the rest of the country feels at the Brexit delay.

I will get a picture on my way home and let you judge. Your efforts to portray them a professionals is frankly laughable. Picture swampy the protestor (you may be too young) and you are closer.
 
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