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Interesting that DUP are the only ones to come out in support with everyone else including business lobbies giving it a kicking. For the EU though the glimmer of acceptance of a custom border in the Irish Sea by the DUP will be tantalising enough to ensure further talks with the U.K.

Not sure what caused the DUP to shift their position.

In other news the DUP will get their hands on billions with this deal.

But I’m sure the two things are entirely unconnected.

Anyway for it to work in NI it needs cross party/community support. This doesn’t have it. Also this isn’t going to get thrashed out with the EU and voted through Parliament in 28 days especially if Parliament is suspended again. We are talking months here if we are serious about negotiating a deal. If we aren’t serious then we will know when the Govt decides not to seek an extension to A50.
 
Chris in London said:
I don’t know what everyone’s on about.

Isn’t the answer to all this Article 24 of GATT?
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The answer is this
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Whether you set it for 5th June 1975 or the 9th of February 1966 depends if you’re a leaver or remainer.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
There's going to be some serious egg of faces around here when the deal is done.

Just sayin.
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Really can't see it getting done before the 31st Chip. Not without serious clarification and adjustments and even then I don't think that will be enough, the noises coming out of near Brussels don't sound particularly promising
 
Rascal said:
About a week ago I did a post explaining about the worrying trends in the American bond markets that usually signify a downturn or even a recession.

Today the Stock Market has suffered its biggest losses for 3 years and other worldwide markets are following suit.

I am fairly fine with leaving, about 60/40 in favour, but if the economic markers that we have seen today get worse leaving now without a deal could be economic suicide.
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Anything to do with the World Trade Organization decision paving the way for $7.5bn in US tariffs on EU goods?
 
Chippy_boy said:
There's going to be some serious egg of faces around here when the deal is done.

Just sayin.
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I think at this stage that’s a bold statement as a deal looks some way off. I do believe that for all his faults he does want a deal though, but he and his team are struggling to come up with a widely acceptable answer to the backstop conundrum.

I’m sticking with my prediction that we’ll still be in the EU this time next year.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Well if you are right, then it would need 'long term' defining & of course there comes a point where it would be impossible to quantify either way.

But as soon as we leave, all of these arguments start again. The Irish border, trade deals, travel, all of it.

We can't cut ourselves off from Europe. We need their agreement, even after leaving.
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Chill - I am right

And our grandchildren - and probably our children will thank us

Well - do be fair, they probably will have forgotten all this angst and not thank us

Just the way life works
 
Vic said:
All right thinking people shoould be against damaging the economy by an action that tears up an international peace treaty for the illusion of some future prosperity IMO
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That is your opinion - I respect your right to hold it (if only such commonsense was reciprocated)

But you are utterly wrong in how things will work out should we be able to make a genuine departure from the EU - IMO

Why are the EU so very very desperate to retain us in the EU do you think?
 
bluejon said:
Anyone with a half decent understanding of economics knows that long term forecasting, especially on something as complicated and chaotic as brexit, is completely pointless as the unknowns stacking up over time make it impossible to calculate anything even remotely close to an accurate prediction.
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Wow - fucking spot on!!!!

And Neville liked your post

Do you think that he understood that the truth of what you say totally unravels the doom and gloom bollocks that Remainers have been insisting are facts for years?
 
Gaudion M said:
A point you have made over and over without any substance.

We all get it. It is the reason I think we should remain and retain our ability to have a voice in the rule making and a veto at the highest level.

I'm not sure that you understand that even if we leave on a no deal a significant amount of our trade will still be subject to the same EU regulation and the same potential detrimental impact that changes will be made without our involvement applies. The issue of the backstop applies to some extent with any form of brexit. The EU will change the regulatory environment over time to suit them and we will have no way of stopping them. Outside of the WA and the EU we wont be bound by it but that is an incredibly naive view - it ignores all the UK centered economic activity that happens across Europe.
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Given that post - I am confident that I understand a lot more that you do
 
Neville Kneville said:
His 'plan' appears to be total fucking shit, from what I can see.

He's apparently gone back to the relying on 'future technology' plan, which the EU have already fucked off.
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Give over - it has never been fucked off...….

Because the EU have never been in a situation where they would have to consider the prospect of a viable walk away option and the political will to use it

How can you not understand this?
 
BobKowalski said:
Really? You mean no effort like when the SNP published their Brexit position paper in 2016 seeking to find a path between the U.K. voting for Brexit and Scotland voting remain? Scotland actively sought a compromise and was ignored.

Seriously the amount of lying shite you guys come up with despite the fucking facts staring at you in the face.
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What outright nonsense
 
mcfc1632 said:
Wow - fucking spot on!!!!

And Neville liked your post

Do you think that he understood that the truth of what you say totally unravels the doom and gloom bollocks that Remainers have been insisting are facts for years?
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It depends whether you’re talking a deal or no deal.

With a deal there would be damage but it wouldn’t be a disaster and there will be optimism that eventually we’ll make our trade agreements up to what they were in the EU.

With no deal it’ll be a total catastrophe and our economy will crumble, it’ll take decades to get back to the level we are now and many businesses will go bust, that trade internationally, or will leave the UK.

It’s why I’ll accept the former but never the latter.
 
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