Another new Brexit thread

[Neville Kneville]

Then I will admit to being wrong (but I won't be)

And at least able to take comfort from the outcome that we have left the EU

I wouldn't. I'll be in the shit.

Reece Mogg has just said that nobody will be talking about Brexit by Christmas.

That's how far removed & insulated from reality, he is

 

[mcfc1632]

Out of interest why was Mays deal such a bad deal? People keep saying this but don’t give the reasons?

Google the implications of the UK signing up to an unfettered backstop that will see the EU controlling all UK key economic and fiscal polices for decade(s) to come

It is OK - there are many on here that post without understanding the implications of the unfettered backstop

 

[Vic]

Sorry - that does not make sense in the context of the post you replied to

The presumption is that the UK is Leaving and the 100% is the demand of Ireland to see the UK agree to the 'full' backstop or equivalent - something no UK citizen that has the UK's interests as a priority should be supporting

OK - they want 100% of the compromise backstop instead of the 100% Remain that they really wanted.

 

[mcfc1632]

And then of course, the real argument would begin, with the same people fighting tooth & nail, to get deals on everything, with Europe.

Do you think that situation is better, than not leaving ?

I have said many times that despite the short term damage of a no-deal Brexit - which will be worse than needed to have been the case if we had been preparing in earnest for 3 years - the long-term benefits far outweigh that impact

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

I have said many times that despite the short term damage of a no-deal Brexit - which will be worse than needed to have been the case if we had been preparing in earnest for 3 years - the long-term benefits far outweigh that impact

And what sources would back up this analysis if you don't mind me asking?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I wouldn't. I'll be in the shit.

Reece Mogg has just said that nobody will be talking about Brexit by Christmas.

That's how far removed & insulated from reality, he is

What fucking planet is that deluded **** living on?

 

[Neville Kneville]

How?

By 'agree a deal' do you mean agree a new deal which essentially keeps us in the EU whilst losing some of the benefits of remaining plus all of the benefits of leaving?

Is this what Labour meant by negotiating a deal that they would vote against because who the hell would vote for it?

This again is all under the assumption the EU will extend otherwise it won't matter because we are leaving in 29 days time.

How can we compromise for remain whilst ticking most of the leave wishlist? EFTA.

We can't 'compromise' with the hard Brexit people. It's not possible. For them it's pretty much no deal & that's it.

We can agree a deal, easily which sees us leave the EU, but they would hate it. It's still leaving the EU though.

There is no solution to the Irish border & there is no solution to Brexit.

We have to have deals with the EU, which means they have to agree them.

 

[Blue Hefner]

I wouldn't. I'll be in the shit.

Reece Mogg has just said that nobody will be talking about Brexit by Christmas.

That's how far removed & insulated from reality, he is

They will when Santa and his goods are held up at the border and Xmas will have to move to the 28th!

 

[mcfc1632]

OK - they want 100% of the compromise backstop instead of the 100% Remain that they really wanted.

There is no Remain option in the circumstance that I am discussing

The 100% backstop option is ruinous to the UK's interests - you should be vehemently against it - as should all right thinking UK citizens IMO

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

We can't 'compromise' with the hard Brexit people. It's not possible. For them it's pretty much no deal & that's it.

We can agree a deal, easily which sees us leave the EU, but they would hate it. It's still leaving the EU though.

There is no solution to the Irish border & there is no solution to Brexit.

We have to have deals with the EU, which means they have to agree them.

The solution to brexit would be compromise and a level of respect between both sides.
There's more chance of VAR benefiting us in Europe than that though

 

[Neville Kneville]

I have said many times that despite the short term damage of a no-deal Brexit - which will be worse than needed to have been the case if we had been preparing in earnest for 3 years - the long-term benefits far outweigh that impact

Well if you are right, then it would need 'long term' defining & of course there comes a point where it would be impossible to quantify either way.

But as soon as we leave, all of these arguments start again. The Irish border, trade deals, travel, all of it.

We can't cut ourselves off from Europe. We need their agreement, even after leaving.

 

[Vic]

There is no Remain option in the circumstance that I am discussing

The 100% backstop option is ruinous to the UK's interests - you should be vehemently against it - as should all right thinking UK citizens IMO

All right thinking people shoould be against damaging the economy by an action that tears up an international peace treaty for the illusion of some future prosperity IMO

 

[bluejon]

Well if you are right, then it would need 'long term' defining & of course there comes a point where it would be impossible to quantify either way.

But as soon as we leave, all of these arguments start again. The Irish border, trade deals, travel, all of it.

We can't cut ourselves off from Europe. We need their agreement, even after leaving.

Anyone with a half decent understanding of economics knows that long term forecasting, especially on something as complicated and chaotic as brexit, is completely pointless as the unknowns stacking up over time make it impossible to calculate anything even remotely close to an accurate prediction.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Anyone with a half decent understanding of economics knows that long term forecasting, especially on something as complicated and chaotic as brexit, is completely pointless as the unknowns stacking up over time make it completely impossible to calculate anything even remotely close to an accurate prediction.

The idea that the 'short term pain' leading to 'future success' is a simple matter, is an enormous mistake.

That 'short term' is going to be key, to people's lives, many of them leave voters & in order to mimimise the likelihood of them hanging Bozo & Mogg from a lamp post, they will need, as prority, to sort out a shitload of agreements with the EU, & one of their members, is Ireland, who immediately on us leaving, have more power in the EU, than we do.

 

[bluejon]

The idea that the 'short term pain' leading to 'future success' is a simple matter, is an enormous mistake.

That 'short term' is going to be key, to people's lives, many of them leave voters & in order to mimimise the likelihood of them hanging Bozo & Mogg from a lamp post, they will need, as prority, to sort out a shitload of agreements with the EU, & one of their members, is Ireland, who immediately on us leaving, have more power in the EU, than we do.

I suspect they will minimize the chances of those two being lynched by lying through their teeth that everything that goes breasts vertical in the case of a no deal is the fault of remain voters, the EU, chemtrails and aircraft fuel melting steel beams.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Google the implications of the UK signing up to an unfettered backstop that will see the EU controlling all UK key economic and fiscal polices for decade(s) to come

It is OK - there are many on here that post without understanding the implications of the unfettered backstop

A point you have made over and over without any substance.

We all get it. It is the reason I think we should remain and retain our ability to have a voice in the rule making and a veto at the highest level.

I'm not sure that you understand that even if we leave on a no deal a significant amount of our trade will still be subject to the same EU regulation and the same potential detrimental impact that changes will be made without our involvement applies. The issue of the backstop applies to some extent with any form of brexit. The EU will change the regulatory environment over time to suit them and we will have no way of stopping them. Outside of the WA and the EU we wont be bound by it but that is an incredibly naive view - it ignores all the UK centered economic activity that happens across Europe.

 

[Neville Kneville]

His 'plan' appears to be total fucking shit, from what I can see.

He's apparently gone back to the relying on 'future technology' plan, which the EU have already fucked off.

 

[BobKowalski]

I just simply disagree and (of course) believe I have the right of it.

in late 2019 the duplicitous other parties - Labour, Scots, Welsh, Irish, Remainers - will make no effort to come to an agreement.

Unfortunate as it is - the only outcome that delivers Brexit is by taking us out and then fixing things.

Really? You mean no effort like when the SNP published their Brexit position paper in 2016 seeking to find a path between the U.K. voting for Brexit and Scotland voting remain? Scotland actively sought a compromise and was ignored.

Seriously the amount of lying shite you guys come up with despite the fucking facts staring at you in the face.

 

[DrBlueBob]

Good for you, so did I when I was younger. buying a nice house should not be easy. It requires saving and sacrifice of every generation.

Ditto, not to mention 15% (yes fifteen!) interest rates when I first bought.

 

[yerwot?]

I suspect they will minimize the chances of those two being lynched by lying through their teeth that everything that goes breasts vertical in the case of a no deal is the fault of remain voters, the EU, chemtrails and aircraft fuel melting steel beams.

Outstanding, More please