Var debate 2019/20

blueinsa said:
Penalty all day long as the defender goes for the ball, doesnt get anywhere near it and lands on top of and brings Gundog down.

Its a foul anywhere else on the pitch so in the box its a penalty.
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You’re right, backing up into an opposing player whilst they are challenging for the ball is a foul, you see strikers penalised for backing into defenders all the time. That’s why they were awarded a free kick for it.
 
Machiavelli said:
You’re right, backing up into an opposing player whilst they are challenging for the ball is a foul, you see strikers penalised for backing into defenders all the time. That’s why they were awarded a free kick for it.
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Give over.

Is looking at a defender a foul now ffs?

Defender right through him its that simple.
 
VAR as a system is perfect, the camera never lies. The problem is just the tosser watching it. What we need to do, is to eliminate the human (tosser) imput, and get VAR checked by a computer. self checking VAR
 
trublue55 said:
VAR as a system is perfect, the camera never lies. The problem is just the tosser watching it. What we need to do, is to eliminate the human (tosser) imput, and get VAR checked by a computer. self checking VAR
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That's what I've been saying. When there is 25 frames per second and the human can stop it at any one of the frames the outcome is biased. If a computer is told what to look for and acts in the same way each time then at least its objective which was the idea in the first place. VAR is fine it's the idiots using it. Off-side is the main case in point.

With subjective decisions they have to use a person but they need to be trained not to overrule a decision when a ball glances off an unstreatched arm and does not result in an advantage and a goal is given versus a ref missing a clear stamp for a penalty. These are ex referees and most non refs, once they were trained, could understand the difference.
 
What pisses me off is the different standards that the VAR referees use. Last season we had a stupid handball given against us but to be fair (!) an equally daft one was given for us against spurs away in the Champs league. That sets the bar, fans now know what to expect, any time the ball touches a defenders arm it is a penalty..... Except on Tuesday night. It is as if they make the rules up as they go along.
 
Machiavelli said:
So you’ve seen the incident again and still claim it was a penalty?
We run the risk of looking silly if we claim non-penalties should’ve been given. Gundo went looking for the player and I didn’t need Walton to tell me that, same goes for the one on Raz and the one on Silva - I’m pretty sure there were loads of posts in the match day thread saying they should’ve been given as well.
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Catching a few today with that pole you absolute wum.
 
It's like pep said everything we have won we've deserved, we have been given NOTHING and he stressed that point which considering what we've had to deal with and the ridiculous decisions we've had to endure make our achievements even better in my eyes, no fucker is accountable for these quite frankly ludicrous decisions and the media don't give a fuck with it being us who are screwed over.
 
VAR has enhanced the quality of decisions at fault now. It has added a tonne of pressure to officials and now they're making mistakes by refusing to allow reviews of their poor or blind judgement.
 
I was originally in favour of VAR but now changed my view. Yes VAR will show the on field match officials mistakes but we are still getting mistakes by the VAR officials not seeing clear & obvious errors. At the end of the day we are still getting human mistakes.

The other issue is the excitement has been lost when a team scores because we are all waiting until the restart to see whether the goal stands.
They should get rid off VAR & except that there will time from time be mistakes.
 
hihosilva said:
I was originally in favour of VAR but now changed my view. Yes VAR will show the on field match officials mistakes but we are still getting mistakes by the VAR officials not seeing clear & obvious errors. At the end of the day we are still getting human mistakes.

The other issue is the excitement has been lost when a team scores because we are all waiting until the restart to see whether the goal stands.
They should get rid off VAR & except that there will time from time be mistakes.
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I was also in favour but now I'm not, at least in the way it's being implemented. The rationale for why VAR does or does not get involved makes sense on paper, but it's raising more questions than it solves and is now apparently turning a load of bluemooners (and other fans) into full on tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists. It's also showing up how clumsy the laws of the game are, but at least "live" their fuzziness has a certain "logic".
 
VAR for all its faults I am still for it IF it is used properly. Only reviewing certain situations and not others is leading to the view that some decisions are ‘biased’. I have said previously that common sense should prevail. The question should be asked ‘would the on field officials be expected to see the offence?’ If not then carry on. Unfortunately common sense appears to be sadly lacking. Offside for someone’s big toe being offside is a case in point. Yes, strictly speaking, it is offside but would you expect an official to spot it? No, so carry on.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
VAR for all its faults I am still for it IF it is used properly. Only reviewing certain situations and not others is leading to the view that some decisions are ‘biased’. I have said previously that common sense should prevail. The question should be asked ‘would the on field officials be expected to see the offence?’ If not then carry on. Unfortunately common sense appears to be sadly lacking. Offside for someone’s big toe being offside is a case in point. Yes, strictly speaking, it is offside but would you expect an official to spot it? No, so carry on.
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The thing is that toe becomes a foot or a knee for how shall we say the favoured clubs and that's how it would be explained away so basically they'd manipulate to suit.
 
Anyway I'm here just to say, I fooking told you so. Look at my previous posts, earlier in threads about VAR.
I've always said this is just another layer of blame. It's absolute shite and will be the ruination of the game.
To all those that said I was a dinosaur and couldn't handle change. Na na na na na ;-)
 
Anyone who thought VAR would work was living in the clouds. Thinking it would work was believing that officials number one concern was getting decisions correct, which is blatantly untrue. Whether it be because they are bent, or just too proud to admit they are wrong, they've made it pretty fucking obvious that they don't give a shit about getting decisions right
 
If and it's a big if that the champions league goes all the way through to the final and not one penalty is overturned and stays with the onfield decision I will be happy
The same in the premier league after not giving the penalty at Bournemouth on silva they cannot change the decision without it looking corrupt
 
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