It's not acceptible to those of us who voted to leave, neither the ERG types, the clean breakers or us soft leave advocaters.Revoke is 100% workable, necessary and DEMOCRATIC any else is disastrous for most of the population, your attempt to separate brexit from tory skulduggery fails even the briefest scan ,as per, Again the royal "we" . Ffs, you speak for you, and thats it, we this and we that is a sad plea for "credibility that "we" remainers all see through and disdain.imo of course.Any any form of compromise is out of the question, just fuck off and put together a case for brexit that the vast msjority will accept and not the current right-wing stitch up that johnson is hawking like a grubby spiv trying to sell piss as perfume.
As an EFTA member, if we wanted to trade with the EU we'd have to join the EEA - with no say in its governance and under the jurisdiction of the ECJ. In effect a colony.Cheers bruh.
Even before the vote was made I was advocating leaving the EU to join the EFTA. "EU-lite". My stance increased (became more brexity) at times when I saw what some MP's were trying to disregard my vote, of that i'll admit, but i've always held steadfast to that core belief that the UK must leave the EU. In whatever capacity, i'm fine with. EFTA/EEA is acceptible to me.
There are three sides, those who want to remain, those who want a clean break, and those who want a compromise.I would point that I was fully on board with compromise after the referendum. I didn’t even have a problem with the Withdrawal Agreement and said so at the time. This saga is dragging on no matter what anyone posts on here. Reality is there is no ground for compromise so we have to pick a side and I’m happy with my choice. Also I utterly loathe every single public figure who advocates for Brexit. Barely sentient dog shit the lot of them.
We cannot trade tarriff-free with the EU, period, without agreeing some sort of agreement, though. Nor does no deal solve the GFA issue.As an EFTA member, if we wanted to trade with the EEU we'd have to join the EEA - with no say in its governance and under the jurisdiction of the ECJ. In effect a colony.
I've come to the conclusion you're actually a Remainer.Ha ha - Let's just agree to disagree - I will take comfort in being right though.
That last line shows the level of your ignorance on the subject of the backstop - and what would follow if we were to sign up to an 'unfettered' backstop, there is a clue in the word.
We would not be able to prove bad faith nor succeed in arbitration if there was so much as a AA battery anywhere near the border.
The backstop would certainly be invoked and it would be imposed for many years doing massive damage to the UK - it is a better outcome for the EU than us Remaining. Why do you think that the UK are sooooooo keen to get rid of it and the EU so keen to retain it?
I don't want that - nor should you if the UK's future means more to you than making petty points on an internet forum.
Some on here are capable of lying to themselves in their desperation and ignorance - don't worry - you are not alone
We could have an advanced free trade agreement like Canada and Japan. That way we would continue to trade positively with the EU. Yet we would also be in charge of our laws, borders, money and trade. We would be free to do trade deals around the world while still trading closely with the EU. The GFA is for its two principal treaty signatories to honour, for the RoI to attempt to subcontract negotations to ensure its obligations are met to a subordinate trade group is indefensible.We cannot trade tarriff-free with the EU, period, without agreeing some sort of agreement, though. Nor does no deal solve the GFA issue.
Saying "No" to it is effectively saying "we don't want to trade with Europe", and we've done little to compensate for that loss in revenue. We also have no alternative to the GFA issue without agreeing to an already established agreement, like the EFTA has. But the EFTA members can leave the EEA at anytime, example, once we've agreed a new deal with the EU as an EFTA member, as they have arranged trade deals with Europe independently of each other. The Swiss trade arrangement is different to the one Norway and Iceland have, but all three are members of the EFTA.
I'd like for it to be simpler, and accept a no deal scenario would have been preferable to many who voted to leave the EU, but the fact is our inept Government and infrastructure have not prepared efficiantly for it. EFTA isn't to be seen as a permanent fixture, it's a way out, a lifeboat, until we can arrange something better suited to our relationship with Europe. And let's be honest here, it's not like the UK has much say over the governance of the EU at the moment, is it?
You're disagreeing with the former President of the EFTA now? EFTA members are open to join and leave the EEA without consultation of it's other members. EFTA/EEA has already been accepted as the workable solution to the GFA as the EFTA has agreements with the EU that satisfies. No breakup of union, no longer a member of the EU.
But you keep trying to denigrate EFTA as the only workable option. It's cute. Because given the perameters you've highlighted, how on earth does remaining in the EU solve anything?
Revoke is 100% workable, necessary and DEMOCRATIC any else is disastrous for most of the population, your attempt to separate brexit from tory skulduggery fails even the briefest scan ,as per, Again the royal "we" . Ffs, you speak for you, and thats it, we this and we that is a sad plea for "credibility that "we" remainers all see through and disdain.imo of course.Any any form of compromise is out of the question, just fuck off and put together a case for brexit that the vast msjority will accept and not the current right-wing stitch up that johnson is hawking like a grubby spiv trying to sell piss as perfume.
Given your strident views on leaving the EU, you should be commended for taking the stance you have and I think most people who voted remain (myself included) would see EFTA/EEA as a sensible and fair solution, which still honours the vote.Cheers bruh.
Even before the vote was made I was advocating leaving the EU to join the EFTA. "EU-lite". My stance increased (became more brexity) at times when I saw what some MP's were trying to disregard my vote, of that i'll admit, but i've always held steadfast to that core belief that the UK must leave the EU. In whatever capacity, i'm fine with. EFTA/EEA is acceptible to me.
Liam Fox is sentient?I would point that I was fully on board with compromise after the referendum. I didn’t even have a problem with the Withdrawal Agreement and said so at the time. This saga is dragging on no matter what anyone posts on here. Reality is there is no ground for compromise so we have to pick a side and I’m happy with my choice. Also I utterly loathe every single public figure who advocates for Brexit. Barely sentient dog shit the lot of them.
So you ARE disagreeing with the EFTA.Stop banging on about EFTA without acknowledging it doesn't work for NI. It is not a solution to the ROI/NI issue!
I would point that I was fully on board with compromise after the referendum. I didn’t even have a problem with the Withdrawal Agreement and said so at the time. This saga is dragging on no matter what anyone posts on here. Reality is there is no ground for compromise so we have to pick a side and I’m happy with my choice. Also I utterly loathe every single public figure who advocates for Brexit. Barely sentient dog shit the lot of them.
The present Conservative Party?People think UKIP are right wing let’s see what sort of party ignoring Brexit will give birth to.
EFTA countries aren't in the Customs Union. NI would need to be in the Customs Union to avoid any border infrastructure.So you ARE disagreeing with the EFTA.
You see, you keep saying that, but you won't explain why? The EFTA has agreements that cover the GFA, namely the EEA, which you can join and leave without other EFTA members consent (as others have). Both the EFTA and EU have stated this, that it IS a workable option. Don't understand why you're this hostile to it.
It's what I wanted from the beginning, mate.Given your strident views on leaving the EU, you should be commended for taking the stance you have and I think most people who voted remain (myself included) would see EFTA/EEA as a sensible and fair solution, which still honours the vote.
Does the ‘F’ in EFTA stand for ‘Fascist’? ;-)"Okay, hi other random citizen, are YOU happy as a member of the EU"?
"Not exactly, i'd prefer to be a member of the other European Organisation, the EFTA"
That's how I always say it, got branded, on here, as a racist for admitting it.
286 MPs voted for May's deal - that's a lot of loathing unless they don't count as public figures..... I utterly loathe every single public figure who advocates for Brexit. Barely sentient dog shit the lot of them.
The EFTA itself does not seek to establish one, but allows it's members to join one if they so wish.EFTA countries aren't in the Customs Union. NI would need to be in the Customs Union to avoid any border infrastructure.
"Farage", mate. ;)Does the ‘F’ in EFTA stand for ‘Fascist’? ;-)
Haha! Well he was advocating for a Norway-type arrangement tbf!"Farage", mate. ;)