Another new Brexit thread

[kevin horlocks wand]

Tell some of your Brexit buddies, especially the pompous piffler who wants the English to have a vote on Scottish independence.

Well that’s clearly not right is it.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Am I right in thinking that Boris has to take his deal to the EU on the 17th and it's likely they won't accept it.

Then he has to take it to UK Parliament (if the EU have accepted it) and it's likely to get voted down anyway?

Then he'd be forced into asking for another extension?

He could try to get Parliament to vote it down first, then they get the blame, ready for the election.

 

[west didsblue]

I don't think you understand the concept of a "whoosh".

Where's the sarcasm from you in that post? It's exactly what you feel.

You mean you thought I was serious about people not being able to spell x and would get lost on their way to a polling station?

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Are you suggesting you now understand ours?

I understand why people want to leave, I just think the pros are outweighed by the cons

 

[Metal Biker]

Yeah we know we haven’t left.

Imagine if the Scots voted for independence and leave won by 52% and somehow leaving the uk was frustrated . Can you imagine the anger.

But it would ruin the economy, create a border, etc, etc...

Our Parliament, which is sovereign, should decide what is best on behalf of the people of Scotland. ;)

 

[Metal Biker]

I understand why people want to leave, I just think the pros are outweighed by the cons

Only if you support the EU.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Would that involve us giving them free access to our market whilst they also accessed the EU one ?

Or would we block that ?

It would all be dealt with in that 1000 page document

 

[Metal Biker]

Please, enough with the 'we' stuff.

There is no 'we' amongst the leave vote.

People had their own reasons, not yours.

"we" as a colloquialism for "UK". I should have thought that was easy enough to figure out when discussing veto's.

 

[aguerrrroooooooooooo]

Only if you support the EU.

Or support analysis of experts

 

[Neville Kneville]

Good luck to Nicola negotiating the replacement to the Barnett formula with the eu.....

There would be no easy solution to a border, if we were no longer in the EU.

So, like with Brexit, it would lead to a total fucking shitshow, obviously.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

There would be no easy solution to a border, if we were no longer in the EU.

So, like with Brexit, it would lead to a total fucking shitshow, obviously.

Yeah but it would be for the people of Scotland to decide for themselves if they fancied a shitshow or not

 

[Neville Kneville]

"we" as a colloquialism for "UK". I should have thought that was easy enough to figure out when discussing veto's.

You were attributing reasons why 'we' left.

There are people who don't know or care about a 'European Army'.

 

[Metal Biker]

You were attributing reasons why 'we' left.

There are people who don't know or care about a 'European Army'.

No I was talking about the fact that "we" have veto's. We here having the meaning of the UK.

You're trying to start an argument that i'm not even having.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

You were attributing reasons why 'we' left.

There are people who don't know or care about a 'European Army'.

I don’t know or care about death but I know it’s coming one day

 

[Neville Kneville]

Yeah but it would be for the people of Scotland to decide for themselves if they fancied a shitshow or not

And then it would be a good idea, to factor in a confirmatiry vote, so they could decide if they were committed to the shitshow, once it was decided how it looked.

That would make sense, but the SNP of course, might prefer to try & wind up the public, then mug them, having seen it work so well here.

 

[Metal Biker]

Yeah but it would be for the people of Scotland to decide for themselves if they fancied a shitshow or not

But the people of Scotland don't even know about the full ramifications of leaving the UK. It's too complicated, 300+ years of union, tied up legalities, for ordinary voters of Scotland to understand, and the majority probably don't care about them anyway,. For those reasons alone, they should not be consulted on their membership of the UK union.
:)

 

[Neville Kneville]

I don’t know or care about death but I know it’s coming one day

That doesn't work.

 

[SWP's back]

I don’t know or care about death but I know it’s coming one day

True, but that’s because death isn’t avoidable by anyone. Thus it’s not a great metaphor.

 

[FlemishDuck]

As i've told you time and time again, it's not about veto's, it's about opposing what Europe is becoming at the hands of a few.

The EU goes down a path we disagree with, and we say "we want no part of it", just proves how the political aspects of the EU and the UK are completely different and that we shold be part of a European organisation that has no such aspirations.

But what about the cooperative agreements that solely benifit the UK aswell? Surely there is always going to be a level of a oportune relationship given proximity, my impression was that Britain had secured itself that trough it's various opt outs within the EU. Why wouldn't the UK have been able to continue in that way? And why was this not the level of relationship that is "exactly oportune"? Surely, given that the UK always had a yes/no choice on joining with various EU programs, one asumed that the UK had always secured it's best interrests with the relation it had to the EU so far.

No issue as to respect the UK heading it's own course one has to respect that self determination, but i hardly hear much strong reason for the argument that it was a good idea.

 

[Metal Biker]

You were attributing reasons why 'we' left.

There are people who don't know or care about a 'European Army'.

Well many of those that did, and oppose it, voted a certain way when Parliament asked to consult them on it.