The Conservative Party

Ric said:
Apropos of nothing, when Theresa May called the 2017 election the polls had the Tories twenty points ahead.
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What is missed is you cannot win an election with only the votes of one side of the Brexit debate. For this strategy to work the Tories would need to fight out off the BXP for leave votes and they would have to win leave votes in big numbers in the Cities that voted remain. The Labour heartlands which voted leave are more likely to vote BXP than Tory simply because the Tories are so hated in many Northern labour strongholds or will revert to type and vote Labour. The Tories will also have to hold on to remain voting seats which could prove very difficult because Tory remain voters may turn to the Lib Dems.

It is also assumed that people will vote along Brexit lines and if so that will still leave around 30% of the electorate who didn't vote either way in the referendum. Its their votes that will be targeted and they will decide the outcome. In my opinion this is where Labour will be strong as their messages on the NHS and rebalancing the economy will attract many of those voters because the Tories will be trying to out Brexit the BXP on Brexit and there vision will be narrower. That is why Johnson is so desperate to get a Queens speech so he can try and get out a different message that Tories have other policies rather than just leave, leave , leave, deal, no deal, deal, leave.

The lead may be 20% atm buts that Brexit influenced and in GE I am not sure Brexit will have the same influence simply because the electorate are getting fed up with the whole Brexit fiasco and the Tories will suffer for it.

Labour and the Lib Dems have far more capable activists out on the ground doing the door knocking, Labour has far more members for a start and that will make a difference, Corbyn is better at electioneering than he is in the HoC and its yet to be seen if Johnsons affable buffoon act will convince on the hustings.

The Tories also face the possibility they will be wiped out in Scotland, the DUP might suffer in NI and Plaid may make gains in Wales as regional nationalism inspired by English nationalism grows stronger.

It will be one of the most fascinating GEs ever that is for sure and the 20% I do not believe has any bearing on the outcome, because as a recession approaches Bill Clinton's adage about "its the economy stupid" becomes more relevant. If the economy crashes under the current government and the indicators are strong that it will then the whole austerity narrative will be shown up as a sham and it is game on.
 
Rascal said:
What is missed is you cannot win an election with only the votes of one side of the Brexit debate. For this strategy to work the Tories would need to fight out off the BXP for leave votes and they would have to win leave votes in big numbers in the Cities that voted remain. The Labour heartlands which voted leave are more likely to vote BXP than Tory simply because the Tories are so hated in many Northern labour strongholds or will revert to type and vote Labour. The Tories will also have to hold on to remain voting seats which could prove very difficult because Tory remain voters may turn to the Lib Dems.

It is also assumed that people will vote along Brexit lines and if so that will still leave around 30% of the electorate who didn't vote either way in the referendum. Its their votes that will be targeted and they will decide the outcome. In my opinion this is where Labour will be strong as their messages on the NHS and rebalancing the economy will attract many of those voters because the Tories will be trying to out Brexit the BXP on Brexit and there vision will be narrower. That is why Johnson is so desperate to get a Queens speech so he can try and get out a different message that Tories have other policies rather than just leave, leave , leave, deal, no deal, deal, leave.

The lead may be 20% atm buts that Brexit influenced and in GE I am not sure Brexit will have the same influence simply because the electorate are getting fed up with the whole Brexit fiasco and the Tories will suffer for it.

Labour and the Lib Dems have far more capable activists out on the ground doing the door knocking, Labour has far more members for a start and that will make a difference, Corbyn is better at electioneering than he is in the HoC and its yet to be seen if Johnsons affable buffoon act will convince on the hustings.

The Tories also face the possibility they will be wiped out in Scotland, the DUP might suffer in NI and Plaid may make gains in Wales as regional nationalism inspired by English nationalism grows stronger.

It will be one of the most fascinating GEs ever that is for sure and the 20% I do not believe has any bearing on the outcome, because as a recession approaches Bill Clinton's adage about "its the economy stupid" becomes more relevant. If the economy crashes under the current government and the indicators are strong that it will then the whole austerity narrative will be shown up as a sham and it is game on.
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That is why Johnson (Cummings) is trying to carefully choreograph everything now, he knows we're not leaving October 31st, but he must maintain the raucous fiction that we are, with a constant stream of nonsense dead end lies, like today's government appeal to the Supreme Court and Mogg saying we're not required to extend as UK law doesn't apply to the EU, all of it complete "look over there" bullshit.

Cummings knows it is essential that the EU gets the blame for failure, so this jumble of reheated rejected crap, with a side order of Irish double border, is spun as a serious proposal, any EU objections to this dog's dinner is sold as yet further evidence of their intransigence and inflexibility.

Johnson desperately wants the opposition to believe he won't extend, forcing them to depose him before he's required to do so, that way he maintains his hard Brexit credentials. With this clever wheeze the fat fraud can see off Farage and go in to an election as the champion of the people against the remainer Parliament, Marxist Corbyn, leaver betrayer Swinson and the evil EU.

We're all so tired of this never ending will we/won't we Brexit nightmare, aren't we? What blessed relief it will be to vote for a leader committed to....

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Rascal said:
What is missed is you cannot win an election with only the votes of one side of the Brexit debate. For this strategy to work the Tories would need to fight out off the BXP for leave votes and they would have to win leave votes in big numbers in the Cities that voted remain. The Labour heartlands which voted leave are more likely to vote BXP than Tory simply because the Tories are so hated in many Northern labour strongholds or will revert to type and vote Labour. The Tories will also have to hold on to remain voting seats which could prove very difficult because Tory remain voters may turn to the Lib Dems.

It is also assumed that people will vote along Brexit lines and if so that will still leave around 30% of the electorate who didn't vote either way in the referendum. Its their votes that will be targeted and they will decide the outcome. In my opinion this is where Labour will be strong as their messages on the NHS and rebalancing the economy will attract many of those voters because the Tories will be trying to out Brexit the BXP on Brexit and there vision will be narrower. That is why Johnson is so desperate to get a Queens speech so he can try and get out a different message that Tories have other policies rather than just leave, leave , leave, deal, no deal, deal, leave.

The lead may be 20% atm buts that Brexit influenced and in GE I am not sure Brexit will have the same influence simply because the electorate are getting fed up with the whole Brexit fiasco and the Tories will suffer for it.

Labour and the Lib Dems have far more capable activists out on the ground doing the door knocking, Labour has far more members for a start and that will make a difference, Corbyn is better at electioneering than he is in the HoC and its yet to be seen if Johnsons affable buffoon act will convince on the hustings.

The Tories also face the possibility they will be wiped out in Scotland, the DUP might suffer in NI and Plaid may make gains in Wales as regional nationalism inspired by English nationalism grows stronger.

It will be one of the most fascinating GEs ever that is for sure and the 20% I do not believe has any bearing on the outcome, because as a recession approaches Bill Clinton's adage about "its the economy stupid" becomes more relevant. If the economy crashes under the current government and the indicators are strong that it will then the whole austerity narrative will be shown up as a sham and it is game on.
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Do not underestimate the support for Corbyn at the moment ... this was yesterday in Newcastle ... packed house with over 5000 left outside.


 
jay_mcfc said:
https://amp.theguardian.com/politic...vestments-gibraltar?__twitter_impression=true

Imagine my shock reading this. Not to mention YouGov’s fastasy polls that always seem to appear right after a negative news story.
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Zahawi has always struck me as being a corrupt fucker.

Just as they say very Labour Government ends in financial trouble, every Tory government ends in rife corruption.

I do YOU GOV polls, I always answer in the negative or the opposite to my beliefs and I hope others do so too. Plus if you do so many, you get £50 of them for your trouble. Taking £50 from a **** like him makes me smile :)
 
The perfect fumble said:
On the stump he's very good.

The Tories fear Labour's ground game, because they simply don't have a party worthy of the name and neither do the Lib Dems.
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It is also why Momentum get so much opprobrium from the right. They know Momentum are a very effective electioneering outfit. The Tories have nothing to rival Labour on that front and they know it.
 
Rascal said:
It is also why Momentum get so much opprobrium from the right. They know Momentum are a very effective electioneering outfit. The Tories have nothing to rival Labour on that front and they know it.
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Cant be that good if you keep losing elections.
 
Lord Alf Dubs calls for Rees Mogg sacking over 'antisemitic' comments

https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.co...F_RR5GOdyJjZ5B-hbzIKRJeGwxx5O3YRmvFyLCcEzaXOg
  • “Like George Soros, I fled Nazi persecution, and like me campaigns for European countries to give sanctuary to refugees today, just as I was given refuge as a child in 1939. Boris Johnson and his government don’t want vulnerable people who they see as being different to them coming to our country. Those are the same arguments that were used against me and other Jewish people coming here 80 years ago.

    “None of this is surprising from this Conservative government, which cosies up to antisemitic governments in Hungary and Poland and champions Trump, who refused to condemn neo-fascists in Charlottesville who chanted ‘Jews will not replace us’.”

    The Jewish Labour Movement tweeted: “Jacob Rees-Mogg using this language from the despatch box plays straight into the far-right’s antisemitic rhetoric of a shadowy Jewish conspiracy meddling in politics.

    “The way George Soros is invoked by the far-right, particularly in Eastern European politics, echoes the same conspiracies and tropes that have been directed towards Jews for centuries. They have no place in any civil society.”
 
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Fumble in full on tongue down back of Labour's trousers mode again I see.

Way to go Fumble. If only you had a couple of million votes and not just the one.

"The Tories fear Labour's ground game". They fear it so much, they don't want a GE. Oh wait...
 
Banned Tosspot said:
Lose a discussion = call someone a troll.

Some things never change on here.
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its utterly pathetic it really is. I wont be bullied or silenced by the likes of Fumbles insults. They are the one voting an extreme (with McDonnell) party not me.
 
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Chippy_boy said:
Fumble in full on tongue down back of Labour's trousers mode again I see.

Way to go Fumble. If only you had a couple of million votes and not just the one.

"The Tories fear Labour's ground game". They fear it so much, they don't want a GE. Oh wait...
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They want a general election on their terms, but sad day for them they're fucked by the Fixed Term Parliament Act! And who put that in place...

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The Chuckle Brothers.
 
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