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Mëtal Bikër said:
Actually it's not. It's about association.

We are voluntarily choosing not to associate further with the rest of Europe on the issue of federalism, and it's reached a point where we are effectively so far removed from what the rest of Europe wants, can anyone of us state we're really a "member", when it's obvious we don't agree to what they're advocating?
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Ffs!

THAT was my point!

No WE aren't leaving on the issue of federalism, YOU are.

You are using 'we' to describe YOUR motives for leaving.

People voted 'leave' for different reasons. Some of them would have voted to leave, if 'we' were running it, provided immigration was an issue. A bloke I know voted to leave because of EU regs re his truck.

You are not 'we'.
 
west didsblue said:
You can vote for anyone you want.
And if you want to vote for a party that is a limited company under the sole control of one person and doesn't have a manifesto, that's entirely up to you.
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You can continue to support real Nationalists, many of which are openly xenophobic in nature.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Ffs!

THAT was my point!

No WE aren't leaving on the issue of federalism, YOU are.

You are using 'we' to describe YOUR motives for leaving.

People voted 'leave' for different reasons. Some of them would have voted to leave, if 'we' were running it, provided immigration was an issue. A bloke I know voted to leave because of EU regs re his truck.

You are not 'we'.
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Yeah, and you said "don't use we", referring to leave voters, and I wasn't talking about leave voters!

I'm talking about veto's the UK has ALREADY adopted when as a member (eurozone, single currency, schengen)! It was NOT A STATEMENT ABOUT THE REFERENDUM DECISION!

So yeah, you HAVE completely missed the point, are arguing something i'm NOT advocating, and again I ask, why are you continuing to argue against a point I wasn't even making in the first place?!?
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Yeah, and you said "don't use we", referring to leave voters, and I wasn't talking about leave voters!

I'm talking about veto's the UK has ALREADY adopted when as a member (eurozone, single currency, schengen)! It was NOT A STATEMENT ABOUT THE REFERENDUM DECISION!
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Yes you are ffs!

Who else 'chose' to leave, other than leave voters ?
 
Neville Kneville said:
Yes you are ffs!

Who else 'chose' to leave, other than leave voters ?
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You see, this is why you get called out for your bullshit.

I've just explained to you exactly what I was saying, IN DETAIL, and still your response is: "No, you didn't"

You're just wumming now. For the last time, my point about vetos is about the UK's relationship with Europe being an example of it not being as strong as some people think it is, because it shows we clearly want different things. We here, having the meaning of the UK and the decisions made by the UK Parliament, in regards to veto's.
 
blueinsa said:
Nah.

They just hate the English so are xenophobic.
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Not true. I'm English, know a few independence supporters, not all SNP voters either, none are anti English. Or anti any nationality, they understand the importance of immigration into Scotland.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Actually it's not. It's about association.

We are voluntarily choosing not to associate further with the rest of Europe on the issue of federalism, and it's reached a point where we are effectively so far removed from what the rest of Europe wants, can anyone of us state we're really a "member", when it's obvious we don't agree to what they're advocating?
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we had already opted out of "ever closer political ties", it was one of the concessions that Cameron got from the EU before the referendum.
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
Well that’s clearly not right is it.
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Who on earth would say the English should have a vote on Scottish independence?

that would be plainly wrong

So this poster who suggested that had been said is either lying or being very disingenuous

What might have been commented upon is the simple fact that 'if' the English did have a say (of course entirely hypothetically and inappropriate) then a different view might come forward

The 'misrepresentation' of what other people say is (another) 'last resort of the scoundrel' IMO
 
blueparrot said:
Not true. I'm English, know a few independence supporters, not all SNP voters either, none are anti English. Or anti any nationality, they understand the importance of immigration into Scotland.
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I am also English and have lived and worked in Dumfries & Galloway for the last 8 years.

Not all agreed but a sizeable proportion are in their support of a Nationalistic party.
 
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