The Conservative Party

worsleyweb said:
Grow up. This is the conservative thread by the way.
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For local people.
 
worsleyweb said:
its utterly pathetic it really is. I wont be bullied or silenced by the likes of Fumbles insults. They are the one voting an extreme (with McDonnell) party not me.
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Bullied or silenced! Do me a favour, all you do is stink up the place trying to get a rise out of folk.

Rascal puts a great deal of thought in to his posts, there's a train of thought, a well mustered argument, a flowing narrative and a beginning, middle and an end.

You clearly disagree with Rascal, but instead of responding in kind, analysing and dissecting his argument, we get single sentence gobbets of nonsense with the insight of a potted plant.
 
The perfect fumble said:
They want a general election on their terms, but sad day for them they're fucked by the Fixed Term Parliament Act! And who put that in place...

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The Chuckle Brothers.
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Who inherited a national spend deficit at 11% of GDP per annum. Cameron sacrificed a lot for the conservatives for the good of the county in forming that coalition. Clegg is also a very decent man.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Bullied or silenced! Do me a favour, all you do is stink up the place trying to get a rise out of folk.

Rascal puts a great deal of thought in to his posts, there's a train of thought, a well mustered argument, a flowing narrative and a beginning, middle and an end.

You clearly disagree with Rascal, but instead of responding in kind, analysing and dissecting his argument, we get single sentence gobbets of nonsense with the insight of a potted plant.
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Nonsense - Rascal is an clearly well read but an off the scale communists who thinks Corbyn is too left wing. I am representative of the vast majority with my views. No rise - it just appears you are more wound up than usual at the moment as I have posted how shite your party is doing in the polls.
 
worsleyweb said:
Who inherited a national spend deficit at 11% of GDP per annum. Cameron sacrificed a lot for the conservatives for the good of the county in forming that coalition. Clegg is also a very decent man.
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And failed miserably, even by the dubious standards they set themselves.

Cameron now vying with Lord North and Anthony Eden as the worst Prime Minister we've ever had, and Clegg, discredited, out of office and whoring himself at Facebook.
 
worsleyweb said:
Nonsense - Rascal is an clearly well read but an off the scale communists who thinks Corbyn is too left wing. I am representative of the vast majority with my views. No rise - it just appears you are more wound up than usual at the moment as I have posted how shite your party is doing in the polls.
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Not really, I come across your like all the time, I stepped in some only the other day.
 
The perfect fumble said:
And failed miserably, even by the dubious standards they set themselves.

Cameron now vying with Lord North and Anthony Eden as the worst Prime Minister we've ever had, and Clegg, discredited, out of office and whoring himself at Facebook.
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In what way would you say they failed? Was addressing the bloated public sector bubble, an unprecedented national deficit, failing education standards, too many poor university degrees being handed out, the worst recession the country had experienced in a generation, unfettered immigration on unprecedented scales under the past labour government not a mighty challenge that two fine men addressed well.

I would say they did very well.

Instead of trying to merely get a rise - would you care to explain why they did so badly with the appalling state the Labour Government left the country in.

As Cameron's book states at the start - it has been spend, spend spend for the last 12 years and there was nothing left in the pot.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
And failed miserably, even by the dubious standards they set themselves.

Cameron now vying with Lord North and Anthony Eden as the worst Prime Minister we've ever had, and Clegg, discredited, out of office and whoring himself at Facebook.
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You've smacked of desperation for quite a while now, but as the prospect of yet another decade in opposition sinks in, you really are losing it aren't you. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be when only 1% of voters share your views.

Even the few supporters Corbyn does have, support him through gritted teeth in preference to supporting the Tories or LibDems. He's so far from widespread popular support he might as well campaign in Albania.
 
worsleyweb said:
In what way would you say they failed? Was addressing the bloated public sector bubble, an unprecedented national deficit, failing education standards, too many poor university degrees being handed out, the worst recession the country had experienced in a generation, unfettered immigration on unprecedented scales under the past labour government not a might challenge that two fine men addressed well.

I would say they did very well.

Instead of trying to merely get a rise - would you care to explain why they did so badly with the appalling state the Labour Government left the country in.

As Cameron's book states at the start - it has been spend, spend spend for the last 12 years and there was nothing left in the pot.
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From an article in 2012....

cast your mind back to the weeks and months after Lehman went down. Financial markets were freezing up. The world economy was going into cardiac arrest. In Britain, there was a very real prospect on some nights that cash machines wouldn't open in the morning.

What sticks out about that period is how Brown and Alistair Darling were not only acting without a roadmap, they were driving with Cameron and Osborne right on their bumper telling them to do a U-turn. The diagnosis that British banks were dangerously low on capital was correct – but it was the opposite of what most bankers were saying.

The decision to put government money into stricken banks was exactly the policy that Bush and his treasury secretary Hank Paulson had pooh-poohed. In the end, however, the US and others copied the British plans. As Nobel laureate Paul Krugman remarked: "Brown and Alistair Darling have defined the character of the worldwide rescue effort, with other wealthy nations playing catch-up." And how Brown was sneered at for cajoling other governments to pump money into the world economy. How the Tories leapt upon Germany's denunciation of his policies as "crass Keynesianism" – then kept mum when Angela Merkel launched her own massive budget stimulus. The $1tn deal brokered by the British government at the G20 summit in 2009 was described by the World Bank as "having broken the fall" of the global economy.....

It is simply to observe that when the moment of maximum danger came, Brown had the right diagnosis and did largely the right things. This is as close as contemporary, otherwise Lilliputian, politics comes to heroism.

The same goes for that most controversial of Brown's policies as prime minister – to offset a global recession by cutting taxes and creating jobs for young people. That decision has never got the credit it deserves. As the former Bank of England policy-maker Danny Blanchflower notes in the most recent New Statesman, the budget stimulus led to Britain's economy actually growing 3.1% between the autumns of 2009 and 2010. Under the coalition in the year afterwards, it grew 0.3%.
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By contrast look where we are now? Our economy, our society, Brexit, the break up of the UK a very real possibility.

Cameron is responsible for all that and he was aided and abetted by Clegg. Brown and Darling are political giants compared to those trumped up little pipsqueaks.
 
Mike D said:
You read Cameron's book and actually took in the bullshit says it all really.
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Have you read it? Do you think there was a pot of cash at the end of the last labour government? If the GDP deficit was wrong at the stated 11% per annum.
What do you think It really was? seeing as you think it is bullshit?
 
The perfect fumble said:
From an article in 2012....

cast your mind back to the weeks and months after Lehman went down. Financial markets were freezing up. The world economy was going into cardiac arrest. In Britain, there was a very real prospect on some nights that cash machines wouldn't open in the morning.

What sticks out about that period is how Brown and Alistair Darling were not only acting without a roadmap, they were driving with Cameron and Osborne right on their bumper telling them to do a U-turn. The diagnosis that British banks were dangerously low on capital was correct – but it was the opposite of what most bankers were saying.

The decision to put government money into stricken banks was exactly the policy that Bush and his treasury secretary Hank Paulson had pooh-poohed. In the end, however, the US and others copied the British plans. As Nobel laureate Paul Krugman remarked: "Brown and Alistair Darling have defined the character of the worldwide rescue effort, with other wealthy nations playing catch-up." And how Brown was sneered at for cajoling other governments to pump money into the world economy. How the Tories leapt upon Germany's denunciation of his policies as "crass Keynesianism" – then kept mum when Angela Merkel launched her own massive budget stimulus. The $1tn deal brokered by the British government at the G20 summit in 2009 was described by the World Bank as "having broken the fall" of the global economy.....

It is simply to observe that when the moment of maximum danger came, Brown had the right diagnosis and did largely the right things. This is as close as contemporary, otherwise Lilliputian, politics comes to heroism.

The same goes for that most controversial of Brown's policies as prime minister – to offset a global recession by cutting taxes and creating jobs for young people. That decision has never got the credit it deserves. As the former Bank of England policy-maker Danny Blanchflower notes in the most recent New Statesman, the budget stimulus led to Britain's economy actually growing 3.1% between the autumns of 2009 and 2010. Under the coalition in the year afterwards, it grew 0.3%.
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By contrast look where we are now? Our economy, our society, Brexit, the break up of the UK a very real possibility.

Cameron is responsible for all that and he was aided and abetted by Clegg. Brown and Darling are political giants compared to those trumped up little pipsqueaks.
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Probably taken from the Morning Star. Unfetted immigration, bloated public sector?
 
Chippy_boy said:
You've smacked of desperation for quite a while now, but as the prospect of yet another decade in opposition sinks in, you really are losing it aren't you. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be when only 1% of voters share your views.

Even the few supporters Corbyn does have, support him through gritted teeth in preference to supporting the Tories or LibDems. He's so far from widespread popular support he might as well campaign in Albania.
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Nice goats cheese.
 
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