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The perfect fumble said:
That is why Johnson (Cummings) is trying to carefully choreograph everything now, he knows we're not leaving October 31st, but he must maintain the raucous fiction that we are, with a constant stream of nonsense dead end lies, like today's government appeal to the Supreme Court and Mogg saying we're not required to extend as UK law doesn't apply to the EU, all of it complete "look over there" bullshit.

Cummings knows it is essential that the EU gets the blame for failure, so this jumble of reheated rejected crap, with a side order of Irish double border, is spun as a serious proposal, any EU objections to this dog's dinner is sold as yet further evidence of their intransigence and inflexibility.

Johnson desperately wants the opposition to believe he won't extend, forcing them to depose him before he's required to do so, that way he maintains his hard Brexit credentials. With this clever wheeze the fat fraud can see off Farage and go in to an election as the champion of the people against the remainer Parliament, Marxist Corbyn, leaver betrayer Swinson and the evil EU.

We're all so tired of this never ending will we/won't we Brexit nightmare, aren't we? What blessed relief it will be to vote for a leader committed to....

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And so it has come to pass.
 
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TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
I don't know where the racism angle comes from in your response, but apart from that I'm not sure it is that bad a system. The universities I have experience of are re-investing the funds into better facilities and modern buildings, because the market has become very competitive and they need to be attractive establishments. I really don't see a problem with charging students for their education through their pay if they earn enough, but if a student chooses to continue living in an area where pay is low they do not get penalised. The alternative of everyone paying into the tax system to create free tuition fees would probably see the system become a political football again and no doubt result in lower funding.
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fundamentally it is flawed and a scheme which has the same fait as PFI scandal lots of new shiny buildings but generations later will pay the price of this. Its staggering to think only 17% of students will never pay off the debts in full https://fullfact.org/education/about-17-students-are-forecast-fully-pay-back-their-loans/

This is expected to reach £450 billion by the middle of the century https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN01079

Its eye watering stuff and makes you think that there has to be a better way than just kicking the can down the road to all this.
 
Mike D said:
fundamentally it is flawed and a scheme which has the same fait as PFI scandal lots of new shiny buildings but generations later will pay the price of this. Its staggering to think only 17% of students will never pay off the debts in full https://fullfact.org/education/about-17-students-are-forecast-fully-pay-back-their-loans/

This is expected to reach £450 billion by the middle of the century https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN01079

Its eye watering stuff and makes you think that there has to be a better way than just kicking the can down the road to all this.
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Doesn't this mean that we are getting x% back from employment earnings, whereas the other way via tax means we are paying for all of it? I'm not sure of your argument here. The current system, to me, supports the funding of the universities, gives freedom for students to study any course they like in the knowledge that they will only pay for it should they gain employment that pays x amount and limits support for middle income and rich families in the amount the student can claim forcing those parents to financially support their children whereas less well off families can claim that support. It currently seems skewed in favour of poorer families at the moment which I am in favour of, even if it means I have had to pay out the best part of £14k (and rising) to support my kids through uni.
 
I found this interesting....

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The Michael Gove statement is now over. Several times he was asked to denounce the unattributable No 10 briefing to the Spectator yesterday, that is widely assumed to have come from Dominic Cummings, his former adviser when Gove was education secretary. But Gove refused.

There may be many reasons why but for interesting background, and one probable explanatory factor, it is well worth reading Harry Lambert’s long and excellent profile of Cummings in the New Statesman last month. This is what Lambert says about the Cummings/Gove relationship.


[As a special adviser at education] Cummings governed through conflict. Chris Lockwood, then of the N0 10 Policy Unit, remembers him as being “awkward, abrupt, arrogant, aggressive, chronically late. He’d change a meeting [time], he wouldn’t turn up.” And yet his position in the department was unassailable, for a simple reason: Gove considered himself to be in Cummings’s lasting debt. “I could never disavow Dominic,” Gove once told a friend, “I owe him everything” ..

In May 2009, the MPs’ expenses scandal broke, and nearly claimed Michael Gove. He had claimed on expenses £7,000 for redecorating a house, having spent thousands on high-end interior design. In Gove’s mind, he hung on because of Cummings, “who put together a strategy for him not having to resign”, says someone who knows them. Gove paid back the money, apologised, and survived.

A year later Cummings rescued him again. With the coalition government two months old and austerity imminent, Gove’s education department repeatedly published an incorrect list of schools whose building projects would be scrapped. “It was a big issue, and it looked like Michael would have to resign – we were all floundering around hopelessly,” says a member of the department. Cummings, in exile at the time, was parachuted in. He “banged heads together”, produced the right list, and started to play the media more successfully.
 
The perfect fumble said:
He's the one I'd choose, but it won't be him.

John McDonnell maybe.
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Jon McDonnell leading this country. The mind literally boggles.

Hateful vile, odious angry militant scouse man. He would have income tax at 80% on anyone over 100k. Tax inheritance, gardens, cars, business. We would be like Venezuela within a term.

Good god. I cannot believe what you have posted. I would rather have Corbyn than this excuse of a man.
 
Boris telling a porky!! Tell me it ain't so....

Detlef Seif, the Brexit spokesman for Angela Merkel’s CDU parliamentary group, tells me that the account of the Merkel/Boris Johnson conversation being given by unattributable No 10 sources (see 11.18am) does not ring true. He explains:

In my mind it is completely improbable that the phone call between Merkel and Johnson took place in the way it has been reported in the British media. It would run counter to all the principles the German government has followed for the last three years, namely that the negotiations are led by the European commission. For the German chancellor to insist on Northern Ireland remaining in the customs union would completely breach these guidelines.

There has been a lot of scepticism about Johnson’s proposal in Berlin, but Merkel’s attitude has always been a positive one, to find out if there is room for a compromise. The only explanation I can see for these reports is that Johnson is trying to build a story where he blames Germany for a no-deal Brexit. To brief out a confidential phone call in such a manner is utterly unprofessional and infuriating to anyone who has been working on a deal.
 
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The perfect fumble said:
Boris telling porky!! Tell me it ain't so....

Detlef Seif, the Brexit spokesman for Angela Merkel’s CDU parliamentary group, tells me that the account of the Merkel/Boris Johnson conversation being given by unattributable No 10 sources (see 11.18am) does not ring true. He explains:

In my mind it is completely improbable that the phone call between Merkel and Johnson took place in the way it has been reported in the British media. It would run counter to all the principles the German government has followed for the last three years, namely that the negotiations are led by the European commission. For the German chancellor to insist on Northern Ireland remaining in the customs union would completely breach these guidelines.

There has been a lot of scepticism about Johnson’s proposal in Berlin, but Merkel’s attitude has always been a positive one, to find out if there is room for a compromise. The only explanation I can see for these reports is that Johnson is trying to build a story where he blames Germany for a no-deal Brexit. To brief out a confidential phone call in such a manner is utterly unprofessional and infuriating to anyone who has been working on a deal.
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No deal is fine. Lets just get out. Boris is doing well.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Boris telling porky!! Tell me it ain't so....

Detlef Seif, the Brexit spokesman for Angela Merkel’s CDU parliamentary group, tells me that the account of the Merkel/Boris Johnson conversation being given by unattributable No 10 sources (see 11.18am) does not ring true. He explains:

In my mind it is completely improbable that the phone call between Merkel and Johnson took place in the way it has been reported in the British media. It would run counter to all the principles the German government has followed for the last three years, namely that the negotiations are led by the European commission. For the German chancellor to insist on Northern Ireland remaining in the customs union would completely breach these guidelines.


There has been a lot of scepticism about Johnson’s proposal in Berlin, but Merkel’s attitude has always been a positive one, to find out if there is room for a compromise. The only explanation I can see for these reports is that Johnson is trying to build a story where he blames Germany for a no-deal Brexit. To brief out a confidential phone call in such a manner is utterly unprofessional and infuriating to anyone who has been working on a deal.
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Looking like a coordinated campaign to blame the Germans

 
TheRemainsOfTheDave said:
Doesn't this mean that we are getting x% back from employment earnings, whereas the other way via tax means we are paying for all of it? I'm not sure of your argument here. The current system, to me, supports the funding of the universities, gives freedom for students to study any course they like in the knowledge that they will only pay for it should they gain employment that pays x amount and limits support for middle income and rich families in the amount the student can claim forcing those parents to financially support their children whereas less well off families can claim that support. It currently seems skewed in favour of poorer families at the moment which I am in favour of, even if it means I have had to pay out the best part of £14k (and rising) to support my kids through uni.
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But only a fraction of the debt is paid back who is going pay to write that off? It's a false economy that universities are paying out footsie 100 wages and throwing up swanky new buildings and student accommodation. It's a Ponzi scheme that ultimately the tax payer will be writing off in years to come.
 
Mike D said:
But only a fraction of the debt is paid back who is going pay to write that off? It's a false economy that universities are paying out footsie 100 wages and throwing up swanky new buildings and student accommodation. It's a Ponzi scheme that ultimately the tax payer will be writing off in years to come.
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The taxpayer I assume. It seems you are upset that the taxpayer has to pay off the loans and want to replace it with something the taxpayer has to fund. No idea about the rest of what you are saying, seems like a different issue to me but perhaps you know more.
 
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